Oh this shit is just fucked up.

Hippocratic oath versus moral grounds.
10 rounds.
Winner takes all.

I fail to see what's "moral" about denying people health care.

Hey, pharmacists already have this luxury, so why not? Grrr... It makes me want to become a doctor just so I can refuse to treat crazy religious fanatics. Or assholes. Or fat people. Or Nickleback. Or, well, you see the point I'm making. I mean, wouldn't I be within my morals, my rights, to keep people with whom I disagree from prospering? Apparently these legislators think so.

EDIT: PS- this is mostly an academic (or, more correctly, a political) argument, as there's no way this sucker would stand up to a court challenge. Right? Right???

This is another in the continued effort of the radical religious right's (let's call them what they are, the American Taliban) assault on women's reproductive rights.

In early this month began an "investigation" of Planned Parenthood over medical records. A week later, the . This is just an attempt to pick up where John Ashcroft left off last year. It didn't work at the Federal level, so the most far-right AG's are going after Planned Parenthood state-by-state. The purpose is clear - your medical records are no longer private, and can be seized by the government, the intent is to chill not just the thought of abortion, but of contraception knowledge. Hell, under Bush, we deny foreign humanitary aid to countries if they refuse to stop teaching about contraception and don't switch to the proven failure "abstinence-only" program.

In , even though the Virginia State Department of Health says their unnecessary and would cause many to have to shut down, which I guess is the point, isn't it?

The point is - it's not just pharmacists, it's not just the state AG's - there is an emboldened radical minority that is attempting to undermine choice across the country, and most people are oblivious to it. That is, until the day they wake up and their rights have mysteriously disappeared, then they'll take notice.

I'm not sure if either of you are familiar with the people, but the daugher of leader Fred Phelps, Jael Phelps, is a nursing student who said that, despite the fact that she hates "fags," she won't discriminate when on the job (according to her interview on the Al Franken radio show, about two weeks ago). FWIW....

Wow....I didn't even bother entering the site after reading the first page...
So GodHatesSweden too, I see.... according to them?

Can an ass doctor refuse treament to a patient for being incredibly anul-retentive? (Don't "nail" me me on spelling if it's wrong..... I don't give a fuck). I'm gonna go smoke a fuckin' cigarette.

I believe Jawbreaker is going by the theory that doctors who refuse to treat certain patients (i.e. gay patients or black patients) will eventually lose all their business because the rest of the population will be smart enough to boycott the doc.

But we all know that doesn't work, right?

This guy was on the Al Franken show the other day and said he didn't think the Civil Rights Act should have been passed because the government shouldn't tell business owners how to run their businesses. Franken said, "So, a restaraunt should be able to refuse service to black people?" And the guy said, "Yes, but they'll have to face the consequences because other people will stop coming to that business."

Franken and I were both incredulous at this thought. Because if the Civil Rights Act hadn't been passed, this country would still be segregated. I know it would be. 3/4 of my family dislike/distrust black people and would prefer that they didn't have to interact with them on a daily basis. Even more of my family feels that way about gay people.

So many people are angry or apathetic. If my parents found out their famly doctor refused to treat gay people they wouldn't care. They wouldn't boycott the doctor. It wouldn't even cross their mind. And I bet it wouldn't cross a lot of people's minds.

I think we need to start a Doctors With Borders organization so the people who need help in the United States can get it.