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 Post subject: anyone going downtown to see Jesse Jackson Saturday?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:28 am 
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roll call? Think it's at the Statehouse from 1-3 if I am not mistaken.

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 Post subject: Re: anyone going downtown to see Jesse Jackson Saturday?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:33 am 
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roll call? Think it's at the Statehouse from 1-3 if I am not mistaken.


to laugh, right?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:44 am 
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He has kinda become a charicature of himself.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:53 am 
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True, but at least he has the courage to speak out against this election while most democrats INCLUDING JOHN KERRY are sitting back, relaxing.

See: http://peoplehavethepower.org/archives/ ... sun-times/

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:59 am 
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True, but at least he has the courage to speak out against this election while most democrats INCLUDING JOHN KERRY are sitting back, relaxing.


...accepting defeat.

time to move on.

do you really think Jesse Jackson is a good spokesperson?

the guy is a walking nursery rhyme.


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My mom used to work with him in Chicago in the Late sixties....she hates his guts. An egomaniacal blowhard, she says. Not for progress but for keeping his power.

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Associated Press [url=http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/sns-ap-ohio-vote,0,7062.story?coll=ny-top-headlines//url]
Nearly a Month Later, Ohio Fight Goes On[/url]
November 30, 2004
John McCarthy
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"We can live with winning and losing. We cannot live with fraud and stealing," Jackson said Sunday at Mount Hermon Baptist Church.

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Something's fishy in Ohio
November 30, 2004
BY JESSE JACKSON
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Ohio determines the election, but the state has not yet counted the vote. That outrage is made intolerable by the fact that the secretary of state in charge of this operation, Ken Blackwell, holds -- like Katherine Harris of Florida's fiasco in 2000 -- a dual role: secretary of state with control over voting procedures and co-chair of George Bush's Ohio campaign. Blackwell should recuse himself so that a thorough investigation, count and recount of Ohio's vote can be made.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:15 pm 
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thank you, Jackson. This is not about partisanship, imo. I don't care who your party is, do you want your vote to count or not? Can you say with 100% confidence it was? Do you like the idea of paperless electronic voting, much less the old fashioned ways of cooking a vote, and are resigned to accepting it?

If I won anything and the guy running the contest was a friend of mine and promised me the win, then I won... would that not look fishy?

If it were reversed (Kerry pulls out win after losing in the exit polls all day, and almost all "glitches" going for Kerry), would you care, backwardsman? I sure as hell would, even if he is who I support.

Get over it, indeed.

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Hello Everyone,

Please read the piece below -- it's a gritty, terrible litany of disenfranchisement and fraud.
And then let's call our U.S. Senators and Representatives and tell them we don't want Social Security tampered with, and we want independent investigations into the recent election!!!



A veritable sea of evidence, statistical as well as anecdotal and circumstantial, supports the claim that Bush, again, was not elected by the people.

"To nod agreement that this was indeed an honest win is to forget how Bush was shoehorned into office in the first place; to ignore the ease with which electronic totals can be changed without a trace; to suppress the fact that Diebold, Sequoia and ES&S�the major manufacturers of touch screen voting machines and central tabulators�are owned and run by Bush Republicans, who have made no secret of their partisan intentions; to deny the value of the exit polls, which turn out to have been �mistaken� only in the swing states; to downplay the weird inflation of the Bush vote in county after county, where the number of votes for president was somehow higher than the number of voters who turned out; to ignore the bald chicanery of the Bush supporters who ran the central polling station in Ohio�s Warren County and forced out the press and poll monitors so they could count the vote in secret; to forget the numerous accounts of vote fraud coast to coast throughout the prior weeks of early voting; to overlook the fact that every single �glitch� or �error� that has been reported favors Bush; to ignore the countless instances of ballots�absentee, provisional�thrown away or left uncounted; to forget that the civilian vote abroad (some four million Americans) was being mishandled by the Pentagon (which had somehow become responsible for doing the State Department�s job); and to ignore the many dirty tricks reported�the polling places quickly relocated at the last minute, the fake voter-registration drives, the thousands of Americans who found themselves not on the rolls, the police road-blocks, the bullying pro-Bush poll workers, the machines that kept translating votes for Kerry into votes for Bush. And so on.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1692/

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An egomaniacal blowhard, she says. Not for progress but for keeping his power.


um, yeah. first time we've ever had one of those in American politics.

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unpossibles wrote:
If it were reversed (Kerry pulls out win after losing in the exit polls all day, and almost all "glitches" going for Kerry), would you care, backwardsman?


well unpossible, that is not the circumstance, so it is inrelevant.

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um, yeah. first time we've ever had one of those in American politics.


Yes, but this one's a negro.

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Yes, but this one's a negro.


good point Cookie, all the more reason not to trust him.


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backwardsman wrote:
unpossibles wrote:
If it were reversed (Kerry pulls out win after losing in the exit polls all day, and almost all "glitches" going for Kerry), would you care, backwardsman?


well unpossible, that is not the circumstance, so it is inrelevant.


well, it's not "inrelevant" to me, and if things were reversed, you know Karl Rove and the "liberal media" would be having a field day with this. As it is, it's barely surfaced a couple of times, and usually derided or swept away as crackpot conspiracy theory (much like Watergate was perceived at first, I might remind you).

Also keep in mind that many of the Bush team (including Papa Bush) are of the same group which was neck-deep involved in the Watergate and BCCI scandals and the Iran Contra affairs, but hey! Who cares?

So if you ever want your vote to not be "inrelevant" I suggest thinking about it a little more than just saying "get over it." Sure, you don't care now, but what if they want to pass an anti-gun law and your vote magically gets eaten? Do you seriously not care or understand the potential consequences of a non-transparent voting process?

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unpossibles wrote:
Do you seriously not care or understand the potential consequences of a non-transparent voting process?


dude,

you are such a sore loser.


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unpossibles wrote:
Do you seriously not care or understand the potential consequences of a non-transparent voting process?


dude,

you are such a sore loser.


Dude, you should move to the Ukraine.

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Cookie wrote:
Yes, but this one's a negro.


good point Cookie, all the more reason not to trust him.


WOW!!!!

just wow....

it's one thing to be a wise-ass on here, it's another matter when you start to show your racist ways.


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it's one thing to be a wise-ass on here, it's another matter when you start to show your racist ways.


what ever.

i can't be racist, some of my best friends are black.


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so you don't trust your best friends is what you're saying.

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I think he was trying to be funny, but.... failed

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unpossibles wrote:
I think he was trying to be funny, but.... failed


unpossibles, while i'll confess the attempt was weak, you did see the comment as sarcasm. i felt it was evident, but clearly it wasn't to everybody.

what i am wondering is, why would that type of comment be tollerated from a person like Cookie, but not from backwardsman?


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backwardsman wrote:
what i am wondering is, why would that type of comment be tollerated from a person like Cookie, but not from backwardsman?


Because you're so misunderstood, honey.


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what i am wondering is, why would that type of comment be tollerated from a person like Cookie, but not from backwardsman?


3rd person, eh? are you an NBA player?

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what i am wondering is, why would that type of comment be tollerated from a person like Cookie, but not from backwardsman?


3rd person, eh? are you an NBA player?

maybe he's Bob Dole. Haven't seen that guy around much lately...

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timstepford wrote:
backwardsman wrote:
what i am wondering is, why would that type of comment be tollerated from a person like Cookie, but not from backwardsman?


3rd person, eh? are you an NBA player?


...predictable, you can do better than that Timmy.

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what i am wondering is, why would that type of comment be tollerated from a person like Cookie, but not from backwardsman?


3rd person, eh? are you an NBA player?

maybe he's Bob Dole. Haven't seen that guy around much lately...


...avoiding the question unpossibles?


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