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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:38 am 
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Despite missteps, Bush is better able to steer nation through difficulties ahead
Sunday, October 24, 2004

Like millions of American voters, The Dispatch is less than enthused about the choices in next week’s presidential election. Neither President Bush nor Sen. John Kerry has built a record that leads to a clear-cut decision.

Since President Bush took office, this newspaper repeatedly has criticized his administration’s borrow-and-spend fiscal policies, which have resulted in massive deficits that weaken America.

The Dispatch also strongly opposed the invasion of Iraq, contending the case had not been made that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction or posed an imminent threat to this nation.

On the other hand, neither Kerry’s 20-year Senate record nor his shifting positions during the presidential campaign inspire confidence that he would provide the strong, resolute leadership America desperately needs.

Confronted with these disappointments and this choice, The Dispatch believes a second-term George W. Bush would stand a better chance of leading the nation up the difficult road that lies ahead.

The most crucial challenge facing the next president is winning the peace in Iraq. Although the rationale for the Iraq war has been proved wrong, no one should underestimate the stakes now. The United States must see the job through to the end.

For far too long, dictators and terrorists have believed that Americans lack staying power. Friends and enemies of the United States are watching closely to see if the casualties and expense of the war will sap the nation’s will to plant democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan. For America, there is no other choice but to succeed. Failure will sow more terrorism and tyranny.

Like it or not, America must stand firm.

Although the president, unfortunately, seems incapable of admitting obvious error, Kerry has not provided a vision of what he would do differently in Iraq. He agrees the United States must be successful in pacifying Iraq. He claims he could be more successful in getting other nations to help shoulder the burden, but that is not realistic.

During the presidential campaign, Kerry has revised his stance on Iraq almost as frequently as there have been shifts in opinion polls. He appears to lack solid convictions on how to proceed.

His vow to repair the damage done by Bush to the nation’s alliances sounds good, but his longstanding ambivalence about deploying American power raises questions about his willingness to defy world opinion if and when that might become necessary in pursuit of U.S. national security. If Bush has been too willing to deploy that power on slim pretexts, Kerry may be too hesitant to unleash it even when justified.

How the rest of the world will view the outcome of the election also plays into the Dispatch’s decision. A victory for Bush will signal to the world and terrorists that the United States is committed to victory in Iraq and Afghanistan. A Kerry victory will send an ambiguous signal that may raise doubts about American staying power.

On domestic issues, voters are confronted with an avowed conservative who spends like a liberal, and a confirmed liberal who promises the fiscal constraint of a conservative.

Bush has vastly expanded the reach of the federal government with the Medicare drug benefit and the No Child Left Behind Act. The first will add more than $500 billion to the nation’s debt over the next decade. The NCLB, despite its worthy goals, is a vast federal encroachment into education, traditionally a preserve of state and local government. This act unnecessarily pre-empted state initiatives to bring more accountability to elementary and secondary education.

At the same time he has increased the government’s obligations, Bush has slashed taxes, resulting in the highest budget deficits in U.S. history.

This is not a conservative record.

Kerry, whose voting record marks him as one of the most liberal senators in the nation, is painting himself as a fiscal conservative. He promises to cut the deficit in half and to find a way to pay for any new spending that he proposes.

But once in office, with all the expectations of his party and with liberal special interests to appease and reward, would Kerry stick to those promises? This seems unlikely. As Bush and other presidents have demonstrated, excuses for expanding government on credit always are at hand.

Without a track record as a disciplined fiscal steward or as a believer in limited government, Kerry’s promises are suspect.

The next president will appoint many federal judges, and perhaps three or four U.S. Supreme Court justices. The impact on the judiciary will be lasting. The Dispatch believes Bush’s appointments would more likely respect the principles of judicial restraint and separation of powers.

One other factor gives Bush an edge. In a second term, relieved of concern about re-election, presidents look to their legacy. This is when they feel free to take chances and expend political capital. There is no bigger problem facing the nation long term than senior entitlements. Without significant reform, Social Security and Medicare are headed for fiscal collapse under the press of millions of retiring baby boomers.

Kerry, who knows touching these programs is political suicide, has ruled out any change in how they currently operate. But with trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, they are unsustainable as they currently operate. Electing Kerry would simply delay action for four more years.

Bush has every reason to take on precisely this sort of challenge, especially if he hopes to ensure that history remembers him for something other than the Iraq mess.

If Bush wins and Republicans retain control of Congress, the stars finally may be aligned in a way that allows the nation to confront the entitlement goliath.

If he is elected, Bush should make good on his pledge to reduce the deficit by half. Better yet, he should eliminate it. The president refuses to acknowledge mistakes, and that is unlikely to change in a second term. But he still should correct them.

He should put enough troops and resources into Iraq and Afghanistan to get the job done. He should ask the American people to make the sacrifices necessary to achieve that, even if that means paying more taxes.

Since Sept. 11, Americans have been ready and willing to sacrifice to avenge the attacks and prevent future ones. Bush shouldn’t hesitate any longer: Enlist them in the fight. That might be one way to heal the deep division that now afflicts the country.

After all, four years ago, Bush promised to be a uniter, not a divider. Perhaps more than any other, he should make good on that promise.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:18 pm 
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Why the Bush and Kerry campaigns fight tooth and nail for the endorsement of the Columbus Dispatch
Monday, Oct. 18, 2004
By Michael Duffy

The most coveted newspaper endorsement in the U.S. is expected this week, and it's not coming from the Washington Post or the New York Times. It's due from the editors of the Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch, the only daily paper in the most contested part of the hottest battleground state. Both campaigns have spent countless hours and dollars trying to snare it.

The Bush camp struck first, shipping in the President's father, an old friend of Dispatch publisher John Wolfe's, for a quiet breakfast during the Democratic Convention in July. A long line of other White House allies, including Karl Rove, Ken Mehlman, Treasury Secretary John Snow and Budget Director Josh Bolten, has also marched through the Dispatch's Third Street offices. Last month the President even invited Wolfe and Dispatch president Mike Curtin, along with a reporter, on Air Force One to discuss the issues.

The paper's history might make such efforts seem unnecessary. For years, the Dispatch was so conservative, it barely mentioned Democrats in its editorials, even to criticize them. But it has grown far more independent in recent years, and editorials have been critical of Bush's fiscal policies. Sensing an opening, the Kerry team has sent top economic adviser Roger Altman; former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and vice-presidential candidate John Edwards have telephoned; and Kerry dropped in on the editors one day in September, despite a sore throat that had forced him to cancel a campaign appearance. "We're deficit hawks from way back," says Curtin. "So both sides have bent over backwards to give us access." The paper's choice, like the election, is still a toss-up.




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Big fucking suprise. What a joke.

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karl meridian wrote:
Done Waiting Dot Com To Support President Bush In 2004


so many people come to the message board, posting while drunk.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:24 am 
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my roomate cancelled his Dispatch subscription today. I urge others to do the same and urge others to urge others to urge others…

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:35 am 
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Cancel the subscription because they don't agree with you? You can certainly do that, but it'd have been more appropriate 10 years ago. This is a much more balanced Dispatch than it used to be, and if you read the article, it's not exactly a blind endorsement pf the President and his policies.

Truthfully, I think they wanted a reason to endorse Kerry, but just didn't find him strong enough.

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fotobass wrote:
Cancel the subscription because they don't agree with you? You can certainly do that, but it'd have been more appropriate 10 years ago. This is a much more balanced Dispatch than it used to be, and if you read the article, it's not exactly a blind endorsement pf the President and his policies.

Truthfully, I think they wanted a reason to endorse Kerry, but just didn't find him strong enough.


Very true, not on the Kerry not being strong enough, but on the more open-mindedness of the Dispatch recently. They took quite awhile to come to this conclusion.

I see more balanced articles in there than I have ever seen. I could still be nostalgic for the CJ though.....

However on 1230 AM they say it is because the Bushies like to leave lots of flowers and candy at the Dispatch front desk whenever they come to town :P


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:09 am 
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However on 1230 AM they say it is because the Bushies like to leave lots of flowers and candy at the Dispatch front desk whenever they come to town :P


Now there's a neutral source...I wanted more out of them than the left's version of Rush Limbaugh. Very disappointed in 'em.

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LLDrumgirl wrote:
However on 1230 AM they say it is because the Bushies like to leave lots of flowers and candy at the Dispatch front desk whenever they come to town :P


Now there's a neutral source...I wanted more out of them than the left's version of Rush Limbaugh. Very disappointed in 'em.


Heard that.

NPR is my choice on all these matters.

Still nice to exorcise the AM radio demons stuck in the car chassis from 610 by listening to 1230 these past few weeks :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:38 am 
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Cancel the subscription because they don't agree with you? You can certainly do that, but it'd have been more appropriate 10 years ago. This is a much more balanced Dispatch than it used to be, and if you read the article, it's not exactly a blind endorsement pf the President and his policies.

Truthfully, I think they wanted a reason to endorse Kerry, but just didn't find him strong enough.


wouldn't it be appropriate to mention that you work for the dispatch?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:52 am 
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yeah....

didn't find Kerry strong enough.

Didn't the editorial say something like, "Yes, Bush had missteps with the war but Kerry can't make up his mind...."?

hmm....

can't make up his mind

vs.

taking us into a war we shouldn't have fought and getting over 1,000 people killed.



I'll take the guy who can't make up his mind at this point. If he sucks, we'll kick him out in four years. But I can't take four more years of george fucking bush


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:03 am 
I'm with you on that. I hope I wake up to good news on Nov 3.

Even though the Dispatch has been more "open-minded" than in the past, I still can't see the big money here in town wanting Kerry raising their taxes.

Pretty transparent, IMO.

But seems they really took their time with their endoresment decision.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:12 am 
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beth wrote:
my roomate cancelled his Dispatch subscription today. I urge others to do the same and urge others to urge others to urge others…


yea,

that'll show em.

they didn't see that coming.

brilliant idea.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:15 am 
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According to DailyKos, both the Cleveland Plain Dealer and Columbus Dispatch (along with the Denver Post) had major issues with their endorsements. In both cases, the editorial boards want to endorse Kerry, but the conservative publishers of the papers overruled them and made them endorse Bush. There is a particular issue with the publisher of the Plain Dealer and Richard Holbrook.

Regardless, as of today, 24 papers that had endorsed Bush in 2000 have endorsed Kerry this year, and five that endorsed Bush then aren't endorsing anyone this year, which is total loss of 29 papers for Bush.

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fotobass wrote:
Cancel the subscription because they don't agree with you? You can certainly do that, but it'd have been more appropriate 10 years ago. This is a much more balanced Dispatch than it used to be, and if you read the article, it's not exactly a blind endorsement pf the President and his policies.

Truthfully, I think they wanted a reason to endorse Kerry, but just didn't find him strong enough.


wouldn't it be appropriate to mention that you work for the dispatch?


*snicker*

If I did, certainly.

Do I freelance for them on very rare occasions? Yes. Am I so beholden to a company I haven't shot for in five months that I don't speak freely? Definitely not.


*NOTE* They last ran an image of mine on August 19th, but that was given to them by the Crew, so I'm not counting it as an assignment.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:35 am 
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Who decides who they are going to vote for based on a newspaper endorsment?

There are lots of things I hate in this country, but the main one is how people refuse to think for themselves, do a little research, and make up their own mind!

"Oh, Jennifer Lopez and the Dispatch endorse Bush... guess I'll vote that way..."

"Oh, REM and The Plain Dealer endorsed Kerry? Sweet. I'll vote for Kerry"

Freakin' Sheep.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:13 pm 
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i still think it was very fucking irresponsible for them to issue support either way. i mean, do tv stations endorse one cadidate or another? it's bullshit, they way the media picked apart the sinclair situation and then the fucking rats come back and endorse the shrub. BULLSHITBULLSHITBULLSHIT.
Do the responsible thing and don't endorse anyone. Fucking Wolfes. They make a show of covering more Democratic viewpoints than ever and then attack Kerry with the "Liberal" label. What horseshit. Fuck them all. I want to read a fair and balanced paper, like the Other paper (LOL).

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:31 pm 
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fotobass wrote:
Cancel the subscription because they don't agree with you? You can certainly do that, but it'd have been more appropriate 10 years ago.


I take issue with biased news sources regardless of whether or not they're "on my side." The more personal politics saturate the public's sources of information, the harder we have to work to find the truth.

And I don't think boycotts are an ineffective or particularly dated method. And I personally feel like a hypocrite when I support those who align with forces that work to repress me personally. Anyway, 10 years ago I was a freshman in High School- the Dispatch wasn't on my summer reading list.


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In my weekly Newsletter, that I publish from time to time, I've supported a number of different canidates.

Now, if one my of my knit wit readers decided to cancel my free Newsletter, It would hurt my fake business greatly. All the bullshit that I'm supposed to publish on a "weekly" basis, that would normally would be paraphased to other people by my readers, would be greatly reduced, in large numbers mind you.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:13 pm 
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btw, The PD is endorsing nobody...good choice.

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For president . . .

The voters know the issues and understand the stakes; we cannot imagine they need further advice about the men

In a year of deep political divisions, this newspaper's opinion section is experiencing deep divisions of its own.

After nearly four years spent watching George W. Bush as president, and after a year of watching Sen. John Kerry campaign to oust him, we have decided not to add one more potentially polarizing voice to a poisoned debate. We make no endorsement for president this year.

Our readers certainly should not take that as an invitation to walk away from the civic responsibility of casting a ballot for the man they believe best suited to facing the challenges of the Oval Office. This is, rather, a recognition that whatever can be known about each candidate is already widely known - and that whatever questions remain about each candidate will still remain when the polls close a week from today.

Americans know more about Bush.

They know that he and his aides seriously underestimated the quality and intensity of the resistance to the occupation of Iraq by troops from the United States, Great Britain and an assortment of coalition partners.

They know that on the home front, he has insisted on tax cuts in the teeth of a growing federal deficit, instituted a color-coded terrorist threat alert system that Americans have come largely to ignore because they consider it useless, and oversold a Medicare prescription package that bears all of the earmarks of a budget-busting disappointment.

They know that he has done these things in the atmosphere of an administration that prefers to hold its own secrets close even as, in the name of homeland security, it proposes new and sometimes disturbing avenues of government intrusion into the lives of ordinary people.

The outstanding questions apply far more to Kerry.

His critics' charges that he operates more out of political expediency than deeply held principle resonate with many people for good reason.

He presents himself as an answer to the president's mistakes in fighting terrorism, for example, but has yet to tell precisely what he would have done differently.

Domestically, Kerry proclaims an ambitious agenda. It is hard to see, though, how he can accomplish it without resorting to tax increases that cut far more deeply into the middle class than he is willing to admit.

He speaks only in the vaguest terms, and leaves the impression of a man who consciously builds an escape clause into his every utterance.

Neither candidate has managed to articulate a plausible exit strategy from Iraq. That lack of a discernible difference on what should be the pivotal issue means that this election has become, first and foremost, a referendum on Bush's conduct as president.

We believe our readers are perfectly capable of judging that conduct for themselves and deciding whether Bush's flaws bother them more than Kerry's ambiguities.

The decision not to endorse in this race was not easily taken. A majority of the editorial board favored Kerry, but after long and difficult deliberations, it was decided that the better path would be to sit this one out.

We prefer, this year, to call voters' attention to the races in which we believe our endorsements can be more helpful.

Since the end of July, members of the editorial board have interviewed 117 candidates for federal, state and local offices across Northeast Ohio. In dozens of races, particularly the judgeships, our endorsements weigh the histories, qualifications and positions of candidates who otherwise would merely be names on a ballot to most voters.

In this contentious presidential election, we saw no opportunity to serve the purpose of informing readers beyond what the news pages and their own civic diligence have done.

In the end, we did not feel comfortable giving either candidate what would essentially come down to bragging rights.

We believe our readers are perfectly capable of making an informed, rational decision by their own lights, and we strongly urge them to do so.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:15 pm 
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Cancel the subscription because they don't agree with you? You can certainly do that, but it'd have been more appropriate 10 years ago. This is a much more balanced Dispatch than it used to be, and if you read the article, it's not exactly a blind endorsement pf the President and his policies.

Truthfully, I think they wanted a reason to endorse Kerry, but just didn't find him strong enough.


1. If they couldn't find ONE reason to endorse Kerry, they're dumber than I thought.

2. It's not "They" anyway, it's the owner

3. "They" always endorse the Republican candidate, don't they?

4. Dispatch= sucks. Bush= sucks. An endorsement for Bush a coincidence? No.

5. New openmindedness? Maybe you missed the Sunday main story a few weeks back with a huge headline saying: BUSH PULLS AHEAD IN THE POLLS!- then, you read the story and they tell you he's actually fallen behind after his first bullshit debate.

YIKES!


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In my weekly Newsletter, that I publish from time to time, I've supported a number of different canidates.

Now, if one my of my knit wit readers decided to cancel my free Newsletter, It would hurt my fake business greatly. All the bullshit that I'm supposed to publish on a "weekly" basis, that would normally would be paraphased to other people by my readers, would be greatly reduced, in large numbers mind you.

Our Nation, Our Media and Our personal Decisions are based on 2nd rhetoric!!


Please cancel my subscription.


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SNP supports Kerry.

Had at least one carrier quit over that today.....

Ach vell.....


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"Oh, Jennifer Lopez and the Dispatch endorse Bush... guess I'll vote that way..."


Yeah, but the onle reason Lopez endorses Bush is cause Ben is fucking Kerry's daughter. :roll:

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