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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:08 pm 
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Choo got scratched from the lineup today due to a "trunk injury". If that ends up being an oblique, he'll be out for the rest of the season. That would be a huge blow.

Also, it looks like the White Sox are going to put in a claim on Thome and they have precedence over Cleveland. Buster Olney reported today that if the Twins and White Sox don't work out a deal, the Twins may put Thome on release waivers which would make him a free agent. If that happens, he's likely to go to...

...wait for it...

THE PHUCKING PHILLIES!

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:37 pm 
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not real sure why the Indians brass arent going after Thome.

even though I think were out of it, he still would of helped attendance. He is beloved in Cleveland at a level that is slightly disarming.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:26 pm 
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Verlander should be MVP. Prove me wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:27 pm 
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So getting Thome is cool and all but it's little more than the Indians running the proverbial white flag up the flagpole, right? I see no value in this other than making a few dollars for the club as the season winds down and they end up finishing third in the division. I love Thome but I am fucking done with Ohio baseball.

Go Steelers!!

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:18 am 
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if we could only sign Sorrento and Assenmacher as well

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:42 am 
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I missed an important factor in my analysis:

Games remaining against teams with a winning record:
Cleveland - 9 (including 6 with the Tigers)
Detroit - 0 (including 6 with the Indians)

That second number could change if the Indians and/or White Sox can feast on teams like the Royals and Twins, but Detroit has the significantly easier last month of the season.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:49 pm 
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justin wrote:
I missed an important factor in my analysis:

Games remaining against teams with a winning record:
Cleveland - 9 (including 6 with the Tigers)
Detroit - 0 (including 6 with the Indians)

That second number could change if the Indians and/or White Sox can feast on teams like the Royals and Twins, but Detroit has the significantly easier last month of the season.


...and the best pitcher in baseball

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:18 pm 
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coydog wrote:
Verlander should be MVP. Prove me wrong.


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Jose Bautista (as of 8/26/11)
.317 BA (6th in AL)
37 HR (1st)
82 RBI (7th)
93 R (T-2nd)
105 BB (1st)
.458 OBP (1st)
.651 SLG (1st)
1.109 OPS (1st)

Here's a list of every player who has finished a season with an OPS of 1.100 or better in the last 10 seasons including 2011:
Albert Pujols (2003, 2006, 2008*, 2009*)
Barry Bonds (2002*, 2003*, 2004*)
Jim Thome (2002)
*won MVP

The second highest OPS in baseball this year is Joey Votto's .992. The second highest in the American League is Adrian Gonzalez at .975.

Don't get me wrong, Verlander's amazing and is clearly the most dominant pitcher in the majors this year, but I think Bautista wins the award and deserves to.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:00 pm 
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How many of those players were on teams that were in 4th place and 14 games out? Your stats mean nothing to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:35 am 
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coydog wrote:
How many of those players were on teams that were in 4th place and 14 games out? Your stats mean nothing to me.


Thome - 2002 Indians - 3rd place, 20.5 GB
Pujols - 2004 Cardinals - 3rd place, 3.0 GB
Bonds - 2004 Giants - 2nd place, 2.0 GB
Pujols - 2008 Cardinals - 4th place, 11.5 GB

None of these made the playoffs. The last two won the MVP anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:23 am 
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justin wrote:
coydog wrote:
How many of those players were on teams that were in 4th place and 14 games out? Your stats mean nothing to me.


Thome - 2002 Indians - 3rd place, 20.5 GB
Pujols - 2004 Cardinals - 3rd place, 3.0 GB
Bonds - 2004 Giants - 2nd place, 2.0 GB
Pujols - 2008 Cardinals - 4th place, 11.5 GB

None of these made the playoffs. The last two won the MVP anyway.


So, really, Pujols is the only outlyer and probably won cause he's considered the best in the game and has been for a while. The others winners, judging from their GB stats were in it til the end. Bautista does not carry the legend (yet) that Pujols does. My guess is he doesn't win it though he may deserve it. I also think Verlander deserves it and that pitchers are more directly tied to "value" than sluggers.

Tell ya what, Bautista wins I will buy you drinks at a location of your choice; Verlander wins and you buy me Dirty Franks...??...

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:31 am 
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coydog wrote:
Tell ya what, Bautista wins I will buy you drinks at a location of your choice; Verlander wins and you buy me Dirty Franks...??...


You're on.

FYI, it's been 19 years since a pitcher won a league MVP award (Eckersley, 1992) and 25 since a starting pitcher did (Clemens, 1986).

Baseball writers do not like to give this award to guys who only play 35 out of 162 games, no matter how dominant they are.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:08 pm 
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justin wrote:
coydog wrote:
Tell ya what, Bautista wins I will buy you drinks at a location of your choice; Verlander wins and you buy me Dirty Franks...??...


You're on.

FYI, it's been 19 years since a pitcher won a league MVP award (Eckersley, 1992) and 25 since a starting pitcher did (Clemens, 1986).

Baseball writers do not like to give this award to guys who only play 35 out of 162 games, no matter how dominant they are.


Oh I know about these writer dudes. These are the same guys that think you should save your best clutch pitcher until the 8th or 9th inning before bringing him in just so you can record that coveted save. The save has to be the most worthless stat in baseball.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:47 am 
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as an Indians fan it seems as though Verlander has pitched every 2 days

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:44 am 
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coydog wrote:
So getting Thome is cool and all but it's little more than the Indians running the proverbial white flag up the flagpole, right? I see no value in this other than making a few dollars for the club as the season winds down and they end up finishing third in the division. I love Thome but I am fucking done with Ohio baseball.

Go Steelers!!


uh... cause halfner is out???

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:41 pm 
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So you sign an aging slugger who's hitting like .240 and has, what, 11 home runs? If you're serious then make a run for Berkman or someone who can still hit the ball.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:08 am 
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coydog wrote:
So you sign an aging slugger who's hitting like .240 and has, what, 11 home runs? If you're serious then make a run for Berkman or someone who can still hit the ball.


IIRC, Thome's OPS is 20 points higher than Hafner's this year


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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:46 pm 
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you take what you can get.

he's done okay since we picked him up.

Tribe 2012!!

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:45 pm 
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20 pts higher than an average OPS is not something I would be shouting about. Anyway, I like Thome and though I'm a Red's fan, I like the Indians too. I just think they made a mistake with Jimenez which hamstrung them from getting a bat that wil help them win their division.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:12 pm 
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coydog wrote:
20 pts higher than an average OPS is not something I would be shouting about. Anyway, I like Thome and though I'm a Red's fan, I like the Indians too. I just think they made a mistake with Jimenez which hamstrung them from getting a bat that wil help them win their division.


i think everyone was a little surprised they got an arm instead of a bat. guess they figured on halfner sizemore and choo doing a little more.

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:49 pm 
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the spelling "halfner" is a fine freudian slip, although if your comparing him to '07 its more like "thirdner"

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:32 pm 
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justin wrote:
My guess is that the three-game series in Detroit at the end of the season is going to decide the division.


I have never been happier to be so wrong in my life. Honestly, I think this was the nail in the Indians' coffin this year:

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18296893

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:56 pm 
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I think we can lay the sabremetrics to rest and agree that The tigers are superior to the tribe

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 Post subject: Re: Jimenez??, really Tribe, really
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:10 am 
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Intercontinental C's wrote:
I think we can lay the sabremetrics to rest and agree that The tigers are superior to the tribe



btw.. the yankees are superior to the royals.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:55 am 
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great night of baseball

f boston

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