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What you are neglecting is to figure in is the money it cost to get Lil Troy to sing the hook "I PLAY DULCIMER, BIIIIITCH. I'M A FREAK, FOLKS. I FREAK FOLKS" on I Run Trains Overseas from the third album by Trains Over The Sea


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Trains Across the Sea.. Im never gonna come to your shows.... not because I don't support the local music scene, but because you just plain suck.

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distillation of both sides of this argument:

trains across the sea: "pay attention to me!"

everybody else: "no, pay attention to me!"

the rest is just superfluous rhetoric.

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justin wrote:
distillation of both sides of this argument:

trains across the sea: "pay attention to me!"

everybody else: "no, pay attention to me!"

the rest is just superfluous rhetoric.



also, for the record:

pay attention to me! (referring to me)

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user: justin is just mad because he has 400+ out of a 500 pressing of spd gvnr 7''s collecting dust in his living room :oops: :oops: :oops:
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user: justin is just mad because he has 400+ out of a 500 pressing of spd gvnr 7''s collecting dust in his living room :oops: :oops: :oops:
:oops: :oops: :oops:


i've been too busy partying with bands to sell records.

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hey stupid chimpmunks like patradio and everyone else i can help bring to light information about the 10,000 price tag.

guy needed a drummer so i said i'd do it for 100$ a song and i drummed on ten songs. then i asked to borrow another 1k so i can get a pretty cool promo photo shoot going and then i will admit this but i hope he dont call the po po lice i stole 200 bucks so i can buy a fuckload of sparks and get blitzkrieged

i am trying to invent the columbus version of vampire weekend so i decided to steael this guy's band.

i already promised 100 cds to a bunch of fucking idiots on campus so i dont know who the fuck is talking about anything that is making sense except me

did he get paid for the other paper article and did that go into the budget in the plus column is what we should be talking about next

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Dagger dagger wrote:
hey stupid chimpmunks like patradio and everyone else i can help bring to light information about the 10,000 price tag.

guy needed a drummer so i said i'd do it for 100$ a song and i drummed on ten songs. then i asked to borrow another 1k so i can get a pretty cool promo photo shoot going and then i will admit this but i hope he dont call the po po lice i stole 200 bucks so i can buy a fuckload of sparks and get blitzkrieged

i am trying to invent the columbus version of vampire weekend so i decided to steael this guy's band.

i already promised 100 cds to a bunch of fucking idiots on campus so i dont know who the fuck is talking about anything that is making sense except me

did he get paid for the other paper article and did that go into the budget in the plus column is what we should be talking about next


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:45 am 
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The article is a well designed full page ad (billled under promotions per whatever TOP full page ads run). I'd say it worked.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:42 am 
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bruce campbells more people will buy this guys album then ever care about your band

so go get some suds and drown your sorrow

your life - u did it worng :( :( :( :( :(

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Joel's half-reaction/half-review is excellent.

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 Post subject: Re: Other Paper Guest Column
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the dude wears a leather tam. you can't rock in a leather tam. even this dude wears tweed.
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as i am the always fair and balanced Merkin, i decided to see this dude play before i made any snap judgments about him or his music (this was after, of course, i decided to hate him and his music because he stole a Silver Jews song title for his band name. a song which his band could never live up to). i nodded hello to him while i was loading my gear in because i recognized him from the photo the Other Paper provided next to the article. i also knew it was his band because of how many times he mentioned his band's name in the article. i also knew i should know him because he decided to use a band i'm in to lend credibility to his argument (which was... ummm... that bands in columbus don't get crowds because his band doesn't draw... or something), so i was obviously in good standing with this guy and we already had an established relationship upon which he could, without prior consult, decide to use as leverage for his position on the state of local music. so, i guess my point here, if it wasn't already as clear as dude in the leather tam's point, is that there were a good 15 people crowded close to the stage and dancing to your band's music, but when my band played, my girlfriend had to kidney punch like 20 girls to get close enough to the stage to throw her panties at me. if you read this, my good, close friend (i can't remember your name) remember what Dre said: you gotta lock the block down first

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 Post subject: Re: Other Paper Guest Column
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:52 pm 
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Wumme Wenders wrote:
Joel's half-reaction/half-review is excellent.


(from Joel Oliphint's Music-scene critic drops an EP) "There’s an overload of songs about writing songs and/or being an itinerant musician."


sooooooooo basically this is a concept album about not getting enough attention on the local scene and the other paper piece WAS a full-page advertisment/performance piece. last time i checked, a full-pager ran roughly $700 a pop... we should just figure that in to the 10K price tag, yes?

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 Post subject: Re: Other Paper Guest Column
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:36 pm 
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Hey.

I read this article and it really bugged me for a few reasons.

The responses are that much more disheartening.

Now I've only seen the Trains Across the Sea guys play once, thought they were competent enough, but not my style. Columbus seems to have little love for folkyrockers, but heck neither do I. Some other city would love them, or some other decade. But the indiehip fauxhemians around here just yell "dood you suck that's why nobody comes to yer shows" at em anyway. At least the responses to the other paper article on their webpage say as much. Only their specifically okayed brand of music is non-suck, I guess.

I know I'm , what's the word, generalizing, but it seems to me that Columbus indie/alternative music scenekids have limited scopes of musical passion. If you sound like something other than Elephant Six stuff or , I dunno, who's the hipshit this week? Vampire Weekend? It seems to me anything not in that narrow rut is derided. Well, also, shitcore. Bleh.

Don't be different if you want success.

The other thing that bugs me reading this page, that article, all the comments... columbus music really is just one big smarmy playground clique. I see the other paper fall all over themselves to drool on the same popular locals and ignore any new folks. If you started in the last 5 years, forget it. Unless, of course, your band is made of people from other big name bands, in which case you get instant praise.

People don't go see bands they don't know already. Big local bands don't give opening slots to people they don't already know. Offer a big name band the headline slot on a gig you get, if you're a little person, and you're lucky if they return your email even. They're too big to talk to little people, see.

As a little band, I've spent a handful of years around here writing and recording and singing and sweating and screaming and flyering and marketing online, and the same 15 people come. Bar owners have said they like working with us, like our sound, but since we're not Sowash clones we don't get the hipsters. And since we don't have friends in the big local hip bands, or share members with them, the big bands could care less to play with us.

Here is where you cool kids tell us that since we don't get the huge love the big kids on the playground do, obviously we suck as musicians.

Perhaps we just suck as disingenuous clique insiders?

I never dreamed of playing music for a living. All I ever wanted to do was play to a few local clubs with a throng, sell a few t shirts maybe, maybe play comfest or PLBO or indiependents day.

But the more I play here, the more I market and reach out, the more I volunteer at the fests, the more I see that it's not a meritocracy. It's a junior high clicque.

When you see the lineup of a local fest and it's got a band on it who formed this year, and is clearly there because they're members of another band that is big in town, you know that trying is not worth it.

Trying is never worth it when nobody cares what you do or how you do it, just who you are and who you know.

So, between the reality that the other paper article's truths will just be laughed at and derided, and the reality that all the locals here spent more time ripping the guy and the article down and circling the wagons around their collective WaBeach ego, I can see there's little point in trying anymore.

I await your inevitable "omg u suck yer band must suck if you don't get the big love" comments. Truly, they must be insightful. Obviously you know exactly what my band's done, and can explain exactly what I did wrong, just from this comment. Really, it doesn't come off at all elitist and self-absorbed, it's constructive, right?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:47 pm 
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...but since we're not Sowash clones we don't get the hipsters.


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but since we're not Sowash clones we don't get the hipsters.


this absolutely made my day.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:00 pm 
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okdesuka wrote:
Hey.

I read this article and it really bugged me for a few reasons.

The responses are that much more disheartening.

Now I've only seen the Trains Across the Sea guys play once, thought they were competent enough, but not my style. Columbus seems to have little love for folkyrockers, but heck neither do I. Some other city would love them, or some other decade. But the indiehip fauxhemians around here just yell "dood you suck that's why nobody comes to yer shows" at em anyway. At least the responses to the other paper article on their webpage say as much. Only their specifically okayed brand of music is non-suck, I guess.

I know I'm , what's the word, generalizing, but it seems to me that Columbus indie/alternative music scenekids have limited scopes of musical passion. If you sound like something other than Elephant Six stuff or , I dunno, who's the hipshit this week? Vampire Weekend? It seems to me anything not in that narrow rut is derided. Well, also, shitcore. Bleh.

Don't be different if you want success.

The other thing that bugs me reading this page, that article, all the comments... columbus music really is just one big smarmy playground clique. I see the other paper fall all over themselves to drool on the same popular locals and ignore any new folks. If you started in the last 5 years, forget it. Unless, of course, your band is made of people from other big name bands, in which case you get instant praise.

People don't go see bands they don't know already. Big local bands don't give opening slots to people they don't already know. Offer a big name band the headline slot on a gig you get, if you're a little person, and you're lucky if they return your email even. They're too big to talk to little people, see.

As a little band, I've spent a handful of years around here writing and recording and singing and sweating and screaming and flyering and marketing online, and the same 15 people come. Bar owners have said they like working with us, like our sound, but since we're not Sowash clones we don't get the hipsters. And since we don't have friends in the big local hip bands, or share members with them, the big bands could care less to play with us.

Here is where you cool kids tell us that since we don't get the huge love the big kids on the playground do, obviously we suck as musicians.

Perhaps we just suck as disingenuous clique insiders?

I never dreamed of playing music for a living. All I ever wanted to do was play to a few local clubs with a throng, sell a few t shirts maybe, maybe play comfest or PLBO or indiependents day.

But the more I play here, the more I market and reach out, the more I volunteer at the fests, the more I see that it's not a meritocracy. It's a junior high clicque.

When you see the lineup of a local fest and it's got a band on it who formed this year, and is clearly there because they're members of another band that is big in town, you know that trying is not worth it.

Trying is never worth it when nobody cares what you do or how you do it, just who you are and who you know.

So, between the reality that the other paper article's truths will just be laughed at and derided, and the reality that all the locals here spent more time ripping the guy and the article down and circling the wagons around their collective WaBeach ego, I can see there's little point in trying anymore.

I await your inevitable "omg u suck yer band must suck if you don't get the big love" comments. Truly, they must be insightful. Obviously you know exactly what my band's done, and can explain exactly what I did wrong, just from this comment. Really, it doesn't come off at all elitist and self-absorbed, it's constructive, right?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:05 pm 
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redrabbit wrote:
okdesuka wrote:
...but since we're not Sowash clones we don't get the hipsters.


:wall:


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:33 pm 
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justin wrote:
okdesuka wrote:
but since we're not Sowash clones we don't get the hipsters.


this absolutely made my day.


Quit hoggin' the scene, man.

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okdesuka wrote:
Hey.

I read this article and it really bugged me for a few reasons.

The responses are that much more disheartening.

Now I've only seen the Trains Across the Sea guys play once, thought they were competent enough, but not my style. Columbus seems to have little love for folkyrockers, but heck neither do I. Some other city would love them, or some other decade. But the indiehip fauxhemians around here just yell "dood you suck that's why nobody comes to yer shows" at em anyway. At least the responses to the other paper article on their webpage say as much. Only their specifically okayed brand of music is non-suck, I guess.

I know I'm , what's the word, generalizing, but it seems to me that Columbus indie/alternative music scenekids have limited scopes of musical passion. If you sound like something other than Elephant Six stuff or , I dunno, who's the hipshit this week? Vampire Weekend? It seems to me anything not in that narrow rut is derided. Well, also, shitcore. Bleh.

Don't be different if you want success.

The other thing that bugs me reading this page, that article, all the comments... columbus music really is just one big smarmy playground clique. I see the other paper fall all over themselves to drool on the same popular locals and ignore any new folks. If you started in the last 5 years, forget it. Unless, of course, your band is made of people from other big name bands, in which case you get instant praise.

People don't go see bands they don't know already. Big local bands don't give opening slots to people they don't already know. Offer a big name band the headline slot on a gig you get, if you're a little person, and you're lucky if they return your email even. They're too big to talk to little people, see.

As a little band, I've spent a handful of years around here writing and recording and singing and sweating and screaming and flyering and marketing online, and the same 15 people come. Bar owners have said they like working with us, like our sound, but since we're not Sowash clones we don't get the hipsters. And since we don't have friends in the big local hip bands, or share members with them, the big bands could care less to play with us.

Here is where you cool kids tell us that since we don't get the huge love the big kids on the playground do, obviously we suck as musicians.

Perhaps we just suck as disingenuous clique insiders?

I never dreamed of playing music for a living. All I ever wanted to do was play to a few local clubs with a throng, sell a few t shirts maybe, maybe play comfest or PLBO or indiependents day.

But the more I play here, the more I market and reach out, the more I volunteer at the fests, the more I see that it's not a meritocracy. It's a junior high clicque.

When you see the lineup of a local fest and it's got a band on it who formed this year, and is clearly there because they're members of another band that is big in town, you know that trying is not worth it.

Trying is never worth it when nobody cares what you do or how you do it, just who you are and who you know.

So, between the reality that the other paper article's truths will just be laughed at and derided, and the reality that all the locals here spent more time ripping the guy and the article down and circling the wagons around their collective WaBeach ego, I can see there's little point in trying anymore.

I await your inevitable "omg u suck yer band must suck if you don't get the big love" comments. Truly, they must be insightful. Obviously you know exactly what my band's done, and can explain exactly what I did wrong, just from this comment. Really, it doesn't come off at all elitist and self-absorbed, it's constructive, right?



Let me just say that not everyone who doesn't like Trains Across The Sky is a hipster and likes Vampire Weekdend and cd 101. Some of us like the good ol' raw rock n roll columbus has to offer... There are a lot of good local shows that are not crappy hipster shit. like Savage pinkos, Locusta, NightSoil, Main St Gospel, Brainbow, Phantods, JPS Brown, Lo Pan, Sandwhich, Cheater Slicks, and many many more.

Stop crying about how only hipsters get big gigs and you have to "Know" someone. :boohoo: Yes if you are a Social Retard you won't get gigs. It's all about networking. SELF PROMOTING. DIY! If you are too lazy to do the work and everything you can to get your name out there (which doesnt take nearly 10,000 dollars) then give up!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:03 pm 
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justin wrote:
okdesuka wrote:
but since we're not Sowash clones we don't get the hipsters.


this absolutely made my day.


Quit hoggin' the scene, man.


the sowash hipsters will be on the road for the next week, so everybody's shows should be packed while we're gone...

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