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mosescarryout · **Joined:** Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:24 pm **Posts:** 132

I don't want people at my show who are there to "support local music". Sounds like a High School pep rally rant about apathy.

bela · **Joined:** Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:57 pm **Posts:** 112

true dat.
Maybe ron has something there, how about a brown ribbon on everyone's bumper?

Wesley Flexner · **Joined:** Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1502

i remember when jakki allegdely punched a cop. and then hid at my house.
wish i wrote for a paper back then.

Jawbreaker · **Joined:** Fri Jun 06, 2003 1:10 pm **Posts:** 6351

After witnessing Trains Across the Sea I'm pretty sure I'd rather stab myself in the face. Twice.

Joelseph · **Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:41 pm

Wumme Wenders wrote:

I'm not so much worried about the Other Paper covering the fact that CDR was written up in the Wire -- not many locals who aren't in the music scene would care -- what I was confused about is that there was no (appropriately large enough) write up about the seventh annual, two-day, festival that brought in bands and spectators from all over the midwest and beyond.

CDR's humility is probably what keeps them in business, but I think I'm one of many that thinks they should splatter their successes all over town like Communist propaganda -- so if you're in the local journalism business, writing about these guys should be second nature, cause it's the best example of do-it-yourself imagineering in our city next to the Dave Thomas autobiography.

Countering/surrounding a blurb about CDRVII with a much larger editorial about how there's no local love is just bad form.

TOP has no full-time staffer writing about music, so things don't always get the attention/space/treatment/etc. they deserve. I, for one, committed to a Black Keys review before realizing that issue would correspond with a potential CDR preview/story. I didn't have the time to do both, and TOP rarely has the weekly budget or space to handle two long-ish pieces from me. ...All that to say, it's not a snub. Coverage just doesn't always come together for things that do indeed deserve coverage.

But I was glad to see Wes wrote something. And Patton came through like a champ for this here site.

thefiercelime · **Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:50 pm

The views expressed in the article always seem to come from a younger, earnest individual. They are fairly innocent, really, but it's a trope that doesn't deserve any attention and never gains any respect. Ultimately, it just ends up being an embarassment. People grow out of it or they just quit playing. Can you imagine someone writing something like that who is 60 years old? Maybe I'll make that a goal. In 20 years I'm going to write a very important, scathing letter to the editor about my unrecognized local band- if I can squeeze it in between marathon rehearsals.

I will be completely impressed if TOP can manage to get that kid from This is My Suitcase for the next issue. He's a bomb waiting to go off. I have a way of seeing these things. It's only a matter of time.

thisoneholymedium · **Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:13 pm

practicing for 6 hours isnt very nightbus

robertduffy · **Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:58 pm

Joelseph wrote:

And Patton came through like a champ for this here site.

x2

thefiercelime · **Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:52 pm

We've been saying for years that in the future music will be free. As well it should be. That's pretty much arrived even before our jump to the 4th dimension. Who the hell plays music to get paid? You gotta be outta of your mind. Going in debt for music can be worth it, but, there's certainly no reason at all to go a couple grand in the hole for each project. C'mon man. I can't wait 'til we all fly. Okay. I'll give it a rest. The responses underneath the article are pretty funny in the usual mildly disturbing way.

Adam Smith · **Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:08 pm

Joelseph wrote:

But I was glad to see Wes wrote something.

I thought Wes's piece was really sweet.

Tristannus · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:14 am

this is a Lesotho scene bitches

jill ebenezer · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:56 am

The one thing that really bugged me out is FOUR ALBUMS! I haven't really heard of these dudes until that article but four albums is a lot of music and debt. Why continually record and go into debt when you can tour, get your name out, weed out/ tweak the bad songs? Maybe they have toured, what do I know?

mikecarney · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:08 pm **Posts:** 687

is CDR is the Cash Money Records of columbus? if so does that mean that Adam Smith is the Birdman of columbus? i hope not cus birdman is a weirdo. that said, I bet birdman would FUCKING DOMINATE the arm wrestling contest.

thefiercelime · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:54 am

If you're debt is due more to recording expenses than pizza, beer, touring and buying other peoples' music, you're probably doing it all wrong.

tom of lindsay · **Joined:** Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:40 am **Posts:** 72

$10k to "adequately record, promote and distribute this record" sounds like hyperbole. maybe they built a new studio for each record. these guys could have recorded at CDR and saved a few bucks. the "D" still stands for discount, right? and as a bonus, birdman could engineer the album.

Cookie · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:12 am

Mr. Gallagher? A Mr. Albini would like a word.

patradio · **Joined:** Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:19 pm **Posts:** 744

john of lindsay wrote:

do you think these dudes would maybe want to buy my guitar, amp, and all my songs? i am having a sale.

I will buy your songs if you teach them to me. I don't have six hours a day to practice.

jill ebenezer · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:54 am

Birdman is a silent partner. He was told CDR stood for Cash Dollar Records. He wasn't at the BBQ per se but at the secret dog fight on the roof.

Adam Smith · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:01 am

tom of lindsay wrote:

$10k to "adequately record, promote and distribute this record" sounds like hyperbole.

Even if you figure about

$4k to record
(which would buy you 7 days at musicol plus 2" tape plus a hard drive for pro-tools mixdown or 18 days at CDR plus 1" tape, which is a ton of time at either place)

$1.5K for 1000 or so CD's

$2k to hire, like, dangerbird or nasty little man to do promotion
(which is a total waste of money)

You're still coming in at $7.5k, which is major indie budget territory.

I call bullshit on that $10k figure too unless they got hornswaggled by some overpriced guitar center plug and play pro-tools studio or they got hooked up with some shady pay to play distro something.

Adam Smith · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:04 am

jill ebenezer wrote:

Birdman is a silent partner. He was told CDR stood for Cash Dollar Records. He wasn't at the BBQ per se but at the secret dog fight on the roof.

You shoulda seen the shootout I was in the middle of yesterday over on Oakland Park. I'm not fucking with that dogfight crowd anymore.

patradio · **Joined:** Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:19 pm **Posts:** 744

Adam Smith wrote:

You shoulda seen the shootout I was in the middle of yesterday over on Oakland Park. I'm not fucking with that dogfight crowd anymore.

The last time I did jury duty, I got a dog fighting case. During voir dire, the prosecuting attorney asked if any of us knew what a break stick is. The defendant raised his hand.

coydog · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:59 am

patradio wrote:

Adam Smith wrote:

You shoulda seen the shootout I was in the middle of yesterday over on Oakland Park. I'm not fucking with that dogfight crowd anymore.

The last time I did jury duty, I got a dog fighting case. During voir dire, the prosecuting attorney asked if any of us knew what a break stick is. The defendant raised his hand.

Okay, then. That's hilarious.

john of lindsay · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:48 pm

patradio wrote:

The last time I did jury duty, I got a dog fighting case. During voir dire, the prosecuting attorney asked if any of us knew what a break stick is. The defendant raised his hand.

forget making records, this story right here is worth $10K.

bug · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:35 pm

I feel like someone should bring this back up in this thread:

christopher lasch wrote:

HOW I MADE IT IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS

• GO TO PRIVATE ART SCHOOL

• THROW HOUSE SHOWS

• PARTY WITH BANDS THAT COME THROUGH TOWN

• FUCK GIRLS OUTSIDE OF THE SCENE. {U CAN DO WHATEVER U WANT TO THEM AND NO ONE WILL EVER FIND OUT, PLUS U GET TO FUCK GIRLS WITH BLONDE HAIR & BLUE EYES NOT GIRLS WITH RATTY BLACK HAIR & CRAPPY THRIFT STORE CLOTHES}

• PUT OUT A HIT SINGLE

• PLAY SHOWS IN IMPORTANT CITIES

• CONVINCE YOUR RECORD LABEL TO START A LIMITED EDITION SINGLES CLUB & PUT OUT ANOTHER {LIMITED EDITION} HIT SINGLE

Classic.

cruise_elroy · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:02 pm

trainsacrossthesea.com wrote:

The album was mastered by Bill Henderson of Azimuth Mastering in Philadelphia, PA.

Recorded in summer 2010 at home in Columbus, OH.

azimuthmastering.com wrote:

* $155 for LPs
* $99 for EPs
* $28 per song (3 songs or less)

summer 2010=june 21-sep 21=93 days

i believe wholeheartedly that one should usually pay oneself in the ballpark of $50/hr to record oneself. you need to bank at least as much as central city would or it just isn't worth it.

so if they record 8hrs a day (and it makes sense that one would approach recording with at least the same rigorous schedule as one would practice), taking sundays off b/c obviously you can't work on sundays, that's 640 hours. at 50 bucks an hour, that's $32,000. plus $155 for mastering, and that's $32,155. plus $1655 for 1000 lps ( http://www.musicolrecording.com/vinyl/index.html ) and that's $33,810, so i think he's really lowballing his estimate even if all they did as far as promotion goes was go to http://www.mymusicsuccess.com/ and buy the book for $18.99 (bringing th total to $33,829.99). and they should have already absorbed that cost when they did the first or second record anyhow.

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