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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:16 pm 
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seriously how is no byob going to be enforced


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:22 pm 
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I'm putting all my alcohol in an IV bag and mainlining it. I'll have a cooler filled with IV bags. Bring clean needles if you want some. The cans will be recycled so don't sweat me you goddamn hippies.

Actually, fuck that. I ain't going. I'm never going to Comfest.


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:17 pm 
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thisoneholymedium wrote:
seriously how is no byob going to be enforced


If you are caught with carry in, you will be asked to dispose of it. If you do not dispose of it, you will be asked to leave the park. If you do not leave the park, security will have the police arrest you. There is a $250 fine for drinking in a public park, a fine for public intoxication(100-150) plus court costs.

This is from the security committee, not me.

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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:30 am 
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Are they going to strip search everyone who wears a costume? :D


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:07 am 
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redrabbit wrote:
thisoneholymedium wrote:
seriously how is no byob going to be enforced


If you are caught with carry in, you will be asked to dispose of it. If you do not dispose of it, you will be asked to leave the park. If you do not leave the park, security will have the police arrest you. There is a $250 fine for drinking in a public park, a fine for public intoxication(100-150) plus court costs.

This is from the security committee, not me.


Security is going to have its work cut out for them.


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:48 am 
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redrabbit wrote:
thisoneholymedium wrote:
seriously how is no byob going to be enforced


If you are caught with carry in, you will be asked to dispose of it. If you do not dispose of it, you will be asked to leave the park. If you do not leave the park, security will have the police arrest you. There is a $250 fine for drinking in a public park, a fine for public intoxication(100-150) plus court costs.

This is from the security committee, not me.


How is that the police will enforce this for BYOB but not for beer/wine purchased from Comfest? I didn't think drinking beer/wine purchased from Comfest in the Park was technically legal either.


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:07 am 
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PitBulls wrote:
redrabbit wrote:
thisoneholymedium wrote:
seriously how is no byob going to be enforced


If you are caught with carry in, you will be asked to dispose of it. If you do not dispose of it, you will be asked to leave the park. If you do not leave the park, security will have the police arrest you. There is a $250 fine for drinking in a public park, a fine for public intoxication(100-150) plus court costs.

This is from the security committee, not me.


How is that the police will enforce this for BYOB but not for beer/wine purchased from Comfest? I didn't think drinking beer/wine purchased from Comfest in the Park was technically legal either.


liquor permit.

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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:25 am 
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redrabbit wrote:
liquor permit.



cool. back in my day, i believe that the liquor permit was only for the street and not the park. I assumed that that had changed.

I still think most of commiefest's problems can be mitigated by eliminating the main stage.


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:41 am 
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There is actually a tiny strip of land in the park where you are allowed to drink. It is tenatively named, Thee Gaza Strip. You will be able to find by all the (allegedly deactivated) ICBM warheads placed around the strip. If you bring booze outside of the strip a sniper will first pick off your drink. If the sniper(s) don't like the way you look, they have been granted permission by Mayor Mike Coleman to take a head shot. You've been warned.


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:20 am 
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To be clear, I am not defending the policy. Just information sharing.

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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:01 pm 
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redrabbit wrote:
To be clear, I am not defending the policy. Just information sharing.



whatev. It's more fun to shoot the messenger. [insert lame emoticon here]


Besides the hapless arseclowns and hipsters that infest this "bored" are probably not the problem, but thanks for the heads-up.


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:44 am 
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Lemme get this straight-
Hippies would rather rather call the man and have people arrested than spend
a little extra time picking up trash, recycling it, & converting it to cash?

The crappy band line-up was going to keep me home this year, but now I can't
wait to see all the civil unrest bordering on all-out chaos created by the shit-tons
of people who didn't get the message asked to throw out $50 bucks worth
of beer or walk 20 blocks back to their car-
This last one will be the BEST COMMIEFEST EVER!


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:54 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:00 pm 
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Back With A Bong wrote:
Lemme get this straight-
Hippies would rather rather call the man and have people arrested than spend
a little extra time picking up trash, recycling it, & converting it to cash?

The crappy band line-up was going to keep me home this year, but now I can't
wait to see all the civil unrest bordering on all-out chaos created by the shit-tons
of people who didn't get the message asked to throw out $50 bucks worth
of beer or walk 20 blocks back to their car-
This last one will be the BEST COMMIEFEST EVER!



I am sure there are plenty of other free three day music festivals you can take your carry in to. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:43 pm 
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i'd love to see stats on revenue from beer sales this year compared to last. i hope the new policy is at least profitable enough to offset the expense for the signs, ads in the weeklies, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:23 pm 
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redrabbit wrote:
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Great-Now them hippies are ghettoing out the neighborhood with these signs-
Good luck explaining the legality of what "BYOB" instates-
These things are HELTER SKELTER (i.e.-"they're comin' down fast")


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:48 pm 
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I don't see Goodale Park/Comfest included in any of the exemptions (Subsection C)-unless #7 covers it.

http://municipalcodes.lexisnexis.com/co ... EG.html#28

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919.13 Alcoholic beverages prohibited.

(A) No person shall knowingly possess with the purpose to consume any liquor or beer as defined in Ohio R.C. Chapter 4301 while being in or upon any park.
(B) For the purposes of subsection (A) of this section, any person found in or upon any park and in possession of any liquor or beer is presumed to knowingly possess the liquor or beer with the purpose to consume such.
(C) Subsection (A) of this section shall not apply to the following locations:
(1) Municipal golf courses when concessions which include the possession, sale and consumption of liquor or beer are contracted by the recreation and parks department.
(2) The Columbus Zoo premises when the possession, sale and consumption of liquor or beer is permitted by written authorization from the Columbus zoological park association.
(3) Franklin Park Adventure Center when the possession, sale or consumption of liquor or beer is permitted by written authorization from the director of the recreation and parks department.
(4) The Cultural Arts Center when the possession, sale or consumption of liquor or beer is permitted by written authorization from the director of the recreation and parks department.
(5) The Santa Maria replica, moored in Battelle Riverfront Park, when the possession, sale or consumption of liquor or beer is permitted by written authorization from the director of the recreation and parks department. (Ord. 874-97 § 1.)
(6) Certain enclosed, public rental shelter houses and facilities when the possession, sale or consumption of liquor or beer is permitted by written authorization from the director of the recreation and parks department.
(7) Downtown/Riverfront event facilities when the possession, sale or consumption of alcoholic beverages is permitted by written authorization from the director of the recreation and parks department.

(D) The possession, sale or consumption of liquor or beer, when permitted by subsection (C), shall be in compliance with all applicable laws pertaining thereto (Ord. 1648-91), and with any recreation and parks department administrative rules. Failure to comply with any laws or administrative rules shall be sufficient grounds for immediate revocation of permit. (Ord. 28-05 § 1.)


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:01 pm 
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I'd like to correlate that with Comfest's liquor permit, as well. I imagine it's a temporary permit? Can't seem to find it.

http://www.com.ohio.gov/liqr/rpts/temporay.txt

Actually can't seem to find ANY permit, Temp or Permanent.


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:10 pm 
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There's also this: (State of Ohio)
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(C) A person may have in the person's possession an opened container of any of the following:
(1)(a) Beer or intoxicating liquor that has been lawfully purchased for consumption on the premises where bought from the holder of an A-1-A, A-2, D-1, D-2, D-3, D-3a, D-4, D-4a, D-5, D-5a, D-5b, D-5c, D-5d, D-5e, D-5f, D-5g, D-5h, D-5i, D-5j, D-5k, D-7, D-8, E, F, F-2, or F-5 permit;
(b) Beer, wine, or mixed beverages served for consumption on the premises by the holder of an F-3 permit or wine served for consumption on the premises by the holder of an F-4 or F-6 permit;
(c) Beer or intoxicating liquor consumed on the premises of a convention facility as provided in section 4303.201 of the Revised Code;
(d) Beer or intoxicating liquor to be consumed during tastings and samplings approved by rule of the liquor control commission.
(2) A person may have in the person's possession on an F liquor permit premises an opened container of beer or intoxicating liquor that was not purchased from the holder of the F permit if the premises for which the F permit is issued is a music festival and the holder of the F permit grants permission for that possession on the premises during the period for which the F permit is issued. As used in this division, "music festival" means a series of outdoor live musical performances, extending for a period of at least three consecutive days and located on an area of land of at least forty acres.
(3)(a) A person may have in the person's possession on a D-2 liquor permit premises an opened orunopened container of wine that was not purchased from the holder of the D-2 permit if the premises for which the D-2 permit is issued is an outdoor performing arts center, the person is attending an orchestral performance, and the holder of the D-2 permit grants permission for the possession and consumption of wine in certain predesignated areas of the premises during the periodfor which the D-2 permit is issued.
(b) As used in division (C)(3)(a) of this section:
(i) "Orchestral performance" means a concert comprised of a group of not fewer than forty musicians playing various musical instruments.
(ii) "Outdoor performing arts center" means an outdoor performing arts center that is located on not less than eight hundred acres of land and that is open for performances from the first day of April to the last day of October of each year.

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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:11 am 
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Yes it is legal for Comfest to sell beer to people who drink it in the park because it is a downtown event with permission from City to do that.

No, the cops won't be arresting people for bringing in alcohol only. You can always get arrested for other types of shit but they will only give out tickets for that and only as last resort when you refuse to leave with it numerous times.

No, you won't be refused entry with bottles and cans of non-alcohol but we really wish you wouldn't bring it in unless you plan on taking it out with you.

No, this isn't about Comfest making more money. 'It's the trash, stupid.' Believe it or not, we realized two years that the volunteers who are responsible for leaving the park immaculate every morning were burning out. Without them, we're fucked. People were talking about closing Comfest at 9 PM every night. I don't know about you but that was unacceptable to a lot of us.Getting people to stop bringing in trash was the only reasonable solution. BYOB makes up the bulk of it and it just happens to be illegal to bring it in the park. Not only is it heavy trash that has to be picked up and hauled around, but we insist on recycling bottles and cans so that makes it even more difficult.

Yes, we are also wondering how it is all going to shake out. We know it could get weird but we are betting it won't based on the way we're training people to handle the situation, based on the way we are asking the police to assist us and based on the fact that Comfesters are the coolest most laid-back crowd you can have. We're very human and someone will probably fuck up but we're just hoping that Comfest Magic will prevail.

Yes, you can help your community by not coming if you don't like the music or the no-BYOB policy. Too many people come to Comfest. It's too crowded, we need too many port-a-johns, the beer and food lines are too long, people get too wasted, there's too much trash to pick up and we need too many volunteers picking it up and working security. Any of you who don't come will be helping all of the rest of us enjoy Comfest more and possibly enable it to survive. If you come, we want Comfest to make you feel happy. We are the ones responsible for giving the people the opportunity to enjoy Comfest and our decisions are all about ensuring we can continue to do that. If you choose not to come, we probably won't miss you but I wish you didn't feel that way. I wish you could see why we are doing it and agree to help us out and come down and enjoy it with us. If it is a money thing with you, remember, for every four hours you volunteer you get $16.00 worth of chips.

Comfest is free. We don't have corporate sponsors that might allow us to throw tons of money at cleaning the place up. Its all volunteers and they are tired of picking up all the bottles and cans. We really don't think it is unreasonable to ask you to buy the beer there and not make our clean up work so much harder. If we can't deal with the trash, Comfest as we know it, is going away. Seriously. And if that doesn't bother you, do all of us a favor. Don't come. But if you think Comfest is a valuable community asset, then help us preserve it by making a little sacrifice. Volunteer. Don't park in the neighborhood and don't bring bottles or cans. Thanks and I hope you have a happy Comfest.


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:21 am 
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antifest wrote:
Thanks and I hope you have a happy Comfest.


I wish you jazz.


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:00 am 
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antifest wrote:
No, this isn't about Comfest making more money. 'It's the trash, stupid.'


so why not ban bottled water, etc?

i'm all for comfest making money for beer sales, but why not be upfront about that?

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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:24 pm 
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Donkey Kong wrote:
antifest wrote:
No, this isn't about Comfest making more money. 'It's the trash, stupid.'


so why not ban bottled water, etc?

i'm all for comfest making money for beer sales, but why not be upfront about that?



I would guess that would because water is not illegal and BOYB always has been, it has just not really been enforced. Perhaps you missed this part of Antifet's post:

"BYOB makes up the bulk of it and it just happens to be illegal to bring it in the park. "

For years Comfest has always been pretty cool about looking the other way with the BOYB situation, but as Comfest has grown to the huge event that it has become it appears that to continue it is probably a good idea to try and help with this simple request.

I remember attending Comfest before it moved into Goodale park, when it was in the Short North where those condos are behind Macs. The first year it moved into Goodale Park I remember a lot of people thinking it would suck because they thought no one would be able to drink in the park at all and Comfest was able to make an arrangement with the city to allow drinking in the park provided it was not people bringing in bottle and cans into the park. For years as Antifest stated Comfest volunteers have been able to clean up the park and for the most part Comfest has been able to look the other way with this BOYB situation, which has always been illegal (just not enforced). However as Comfest has grown so has the trash. I would say all of Comfest problems are due to their successes, it could be worse.

Comfest is a great free volunteer run non-corporate sponsored event and I think our city is lucky to have it. Is it really that big of deal to try and honor this non BOYB request?


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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:32 pm 
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antifest wrote:
Yes, you can help your community by not coming if you don't like the music or the no-BYOB policy. Too many people come to Comfest. It's too crowded, we need too many port-a-johns, the beer and food lines are too long, people get too wasted, there's too much trash to pick up and we need too many volunteers picking it up and working security. Any of you who don't come will be helping all of the rest of us enjoy Comfest more and possibly enable it to survive.


ok:

1) if i like comfest, i should come to comfest.
2) but if i like comfest and want it to survive, i shouldn't go to comfest.
3) if i don't like comfest, i can help comfest by not going.
4) if i don't like comfest, i can destroy comfest by going to comfest.


regardless of whether i like or dislike comfest:

1) by not going to comfest, you can make comfest better.
2) by going to comfest, you will make comfest worse.


my head is swimming.

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 Post subject: Re: Comfest stuff
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:10 pm 
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If I show up with a Nalgene full of liquor and no glass bottle it is fine? That's what I have done every year regardless. Just wondering if I will catch an open container ticket this time.


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