Wesley Flexner wrote:
i understand this has no value for you..
now you're just going for dismissive bullshit, and that's what i never wanted between us in this, wes. i DO think that graf is an art. i'm kinda getting tired of repeating that point. and i DO see the need to develop basic talents into real skills, in this, or music, or ANY artform. but, as suggested before, why not confine your learning time to YOUR OWN SHIT! tag your bedrooms all day long. tag everything you own, cover every inch of your own property all day long. but even something as simple as a white-markered 'PBJ" on a dumpster is
vandalism, and it is
a crime, far more than it is art. and that crime is also someone else's now-ruined property. that that property will need to be repaired, almost always at the victim's expense.
you've cited many graf artists who've gone on to gallery life after they "legitimize" . . . tell me, any of those cats, even one of 'em, ever
try to take the new-found 6-digit salary that their vandalism has led to, and try to use some of that money to make amends for the costs that small business owners have had to shell out to pay for the tagger's (now successful artist's) "schooling?"
has there ever been an artist who came from the graf scene who ever gave back to the community they damaged for so long? a fund to remove tags from businesses that don't want them? a foundation in their hometown set up to help repair damages done by taggers? or, once they get the money that come with gallery success, is it just a "i got mine, you get yours" trip, where the people they stepped on and hurt financially while developing their handstyle just lose out? because i've never heard of such a thing . . .
i get you are being honest and critical in your reasoning.
i meant...this has no value to you..as in
basically saying...i understand you aren't looking for who is the most talented at ruining your door.
as far as successful graffiti artists giving back..
espo did a bunch of stuff for inner city art programs.
i think thats the route they usually take..
most graffiti writers that have artististic success are pretty familar with postmodernism,
gentrification, and radical political thought..
so usually they have somewhat of a disdain for the gallaries and businesses in areas like williamsburg, soho, and the east village..
they are on some real anarchist....graffiti causes no structural damages, as long as i don't write on homes and cars..i am straight.
and again i am not saying thats morally right..
it kinda exists in a nihilist situational ethics fog.