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Cookie · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:56 pm

Wesley Flexner wrote:

"English graffiti artist Banksy describes the social implications of graffiti as far reaching, grander than the general public gives it credit for. "Graffiti has been used to start revolutions, stop wars and generally is the voice of people who aren't listened to. Graffiti is one of the few tools you have if you have almost nothing" (Banksy 1). Thus Banksy concludes that, as a mode of communication, graffiti is extremely effective.

And again, what is PBJ communicating?

Quote:

Banksy himself sees the way that the public views graffiti as part of a far-reaching social sickness, which distorts perception of what should and should not be acceptable; thus to call graffiti immoral is much like the pot calling the kettle black.

Or it's much like saying, "Quit fucking up my shit, douchebags."

Wesley Flexner · **Joined:** Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1502

annie oakley wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

"Yet many argue that simply by nature of graffiti being so public, the art necessarily has a special bond with its viewer. The fact that graffiti art does not require a gallery or an admission ticket or even a bus ride puts it in a special position to communicate to the community, "[s]o lots of other people can be informed about issues that are important through graffiti. Graffiti doesn't spell out crime or drugs, it spells out that the artist is one of them, in the street and real. Dealing with the same things the viewer deals with" (Swatch1). The "real" nature of graffiti art, as it speaks directly to members of the community about the graffiti writers experience, is important in understanding the message behind graffiti, and in turn its legitimacy as an art form."

Is your political message about how the white man is keeping the PBJ down?

What you seem to not understand is, INNER CITY EXPRESSIONS OF OPPRESSION LOOK PRETTY STUPID COMING FROM THE MANICURED HANDS OF PAMPERED, SUBURBAN, WHITE KIDS.

Even if your family only had a median income of,say $60K, you still have White priviledge, somehting persons of color will never have.

What is your take on the Native American(who was born on a reservation) graffiti writer that spent 6 months in a Columbusjail for graffiti a couple years ago for tagging a dumpster?

unpossibles · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:58 pm

sweet. I am going to revolutionize the art world with my new "Immolation Movement" - I can't wait to start. After all, arson has a long and rich history, and no one understands it except those in the know. And you don't need a ticket to enjoy it, right?

</lol>

Donkey Kong · **Joined:** Tue May 25, 2004 11:21 am **Posts:** 232

annie oakley wrote:

Donkey Kong wrote:

You guys hating on PBJ is hilarious. It's like dissing a band behind their back.

If you want to really have a discussion, if you want to be brave, then start that topic over here: http://www.omnimix.com/forums/

Carney is just playin' you and Flex is trying to be an ambassador. But if you want to really roll hard with PBJ, create an account.

Or just keep talking to yourselves here.

Go stick your head in a toilet, you friggin Vanilla Ice wanna be Brooklyn, no rep havin, NO SKILZ havin', poseur; and keep your tired out, lame, suburban, wigger, cracker-ass, pathetic, tags on your own property.

GET IT?

GUESSS WHAT????

I AM NOT IN PBJ

I AM IRANIAN

YOU ARE STUPID

Cookie · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:59 pm

Wesley Flexner wrote:

What is your take on the Native American(who was born on a reservation) graffiti writer that spent 6 months in a Columbusjail for graffiti a couple years ago for tagging a dumpster?

That it's a good start.

Donkey Kong · **Joined:** Tue May 25, 2004 11:21 am **Posts:** 232

by the way, APOLOGIZE

annie oakley · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:01 pm

Wesley Flexner wrote:

annie oakley wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

"Yet many argue that simply by nature of graffiti being so public, the art necessarily has a special bond with its viewer. The fact that graffiti art does not require a gallery or an admission ticket or even a bus ride puts it in a special position to communicate to the community, "[s]o lots of other people can be informed about issues that are important through graffiti. Graffiti doesn't spell out crime or drugs, it spells out that the artist is one of them, in the street and real. Dealing with the same things the viewer deals with" (Swatch1). The "real" nature of graffiti art, as it speaks directly to members of the community about the graffiti writers experience, is important in understanding the message behind graffiti, and in turn its legitimacy as an art form."

Is your political message about how the white man is keeping the PBJ down?

What you seem to not understand is, INNER CITY EXPRESSIONS OF OPPRESSION LOOK PRETTY STUPID COMING FROM THE MANICURED HANDS OF PAMPERED, SUBURBAN, WHITE KIDS.

Even if your family only had a median income of,say $60K, you still have White priviledge, somehting persons of color will never have.

What is your take on the Native American(who was born on a reservation) graffiti writer that spent 6 months in a Columbusjail for graffiti a couple years ago for tagging a dumpster?

Um, don't fuck up other peoples' shit and you should be able to stay out of jail for vandalism.

How did you react?
Did you go spread your outrage with a shitty tag in the Short North area?

annie oakley · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:02 pm

Donkey Kong wrote:

by the way, APOLOGIZE

To you?

I am sorry you are a complete moron.

unpossibles · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:06 pm

Donkey Kong wrote:

by the way, APOLOGIZE

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm sorry you're a douchebag who likes to ruin other people's hard earned stuff.

EDIT:
Ok, I'm sorry. For calling you a name. I'll come over and paint my name on the side of your house to make up for it.

Donkey Kong · **Joined:** Tue May 25, 2004 11:21 am **Posts:** 232

unpossibles wrote:

Donkey Kong wrote:

by the way, APOLOGIZE

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm sorry you're a douchebag who likes to ruin other people's hard earned stuff.

Considering you replied to this post, I imagine you read the post by me above it.

In that post, you'd learn that I am not part of PBJ, I dont tag, I dont even have money for spray paint or a sharpie.

envelope · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:10 pm

annie oakley-

i rap

im from an average 30k to 60k family

i live in a black neighborhood

am i a wigger?

my address is 369 n monroe ave 43203

apparently you have a problem with how white people are supposed to act

come and say hi whenever

or you can come to my next show

sat sept 30 at lil bros

if you dont like graffitti cool, but you seem to be really mad at someone, whats wrong?

Wesley Flexner · **Joined:** Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1502

annie oakley wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

annie oakley wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

"Yet many argue that simply by nature of graffiti being so public, the art necessarily has a special bond with its viewer. The fact that graffiti art does not require a gallery or an admission ticket or even a bus ride puts it in a special position to communicate to the community, "[s]o lots of other people can be informed about issues that are important through graffiti. Graffiti doesn't spell out crime or drugs, it spells out that the artist is one of them, in the street and real. Dealing with the same things the viewer deals with" (Swatch1). The "real" nature of graffiti art, as it speaks directly to members of the community about the graffiti writers experience, is important in understanding the message behind graffiti, and in turn its legitimacy as an art form."

Is your political message about how the white man is keeping the PBJ down?

What you seem to not understand is, INNER CITY EXPRESSIONS OF OPPRESSION LOOK PRETTY STUPID COMING FROM THE MANICURED HANDS OF PAMPERED, SUBURBAN, WHITE KIDS.

Even if your family only had a median income of,say $60K, you still have White priviledge, somehting persons of color will never have.

What is your take on the Native American(who was born on a reservation) graffiti writer that spent 6 months in a Columbusjail for graffiti a couple years ago for tagging a dumpster?

Um, don't fuck up other peoples' shit and you should be able to stay out of jail for vandalism.

How did you react?
Did you go spread your outrage with a shitty tag in the Short North area?

No, I went to court with him, and wrote a letter.
As did many people in the Columbus community.

Cookie · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:14 pm

Wesley Flexner wrote:

No, I went to court with him, and wrote a letter.
As did many people in the Columbus community.

Saying what? That he was just trying to make shit pop?

unpossibles · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:16 pm

can we actually just take the black/white and money issue out of this discussion? Yes, I undertsand the roots of why this came up, and that graffiti is a tool of communicationa and expression, but what this is about is senseless vandalism.

I can dig it if the message is one of a political/civil nature - calling for revolution or even equality is fine in my book. BUT:

a - know your target

b - know your audience (sometimes the same thing as a, sometimes not)

this is true of ANY art form, or you're just swinging blindly and will make a fool of yourself.

There is amazing street art out there; PBJ is not it.

Wesley Flexner · **Joined:** Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1502

Cookie wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

No, I went to court with him, and wrote a letter.
As did many people in the Columbus community.

Saying what? That he was just trying to make shit pop?

I am gonna be the bigger man here and look out for elder...

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mikecarney · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:08 pm **Posts:** 687

Wesley Flexner wrote:

Cookie wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

No, I went to court with him, and wrote a letter.
As did many people in the Columbus community.

Saying what? That he was just trying to make shit pop?

I am gonna be the bigger man here and look out for elder...

Osteoporosis
The Role of Calcium in Maintaining Bone Strength

The Role of Calcium in the Maintenance of Adult Bone Strength
...and the role of calcium in preventing osteoporosis.

The bones of the human skeleton contain 99.5% of the total calcium in the body. The calcium within bones is available to the body should the body need it for other purposes (see the chapter on the symptoms of hyperparathyroidism for more on this topic). It is the activity of bone osteoclasts which absorb the calcium in the bone and release it into the blood stream (more about this on our parathyroid and osteoporosis page). Remember, it is the calcium within the bones which makes them strong.

The daily recommended dietary calcium intake varies by age, sex, and menopausal status. Recent studies have shown that many American girls do not get enough calcium in their diet after the age of 11. Much of this is blamed upon the substitution of sodas in the diet for milk, yet the problem does not seem to be the same for males (for a number of subtle reasons). It is important to know that many women of all ages in the US do not get enough calcium in their diet either. The vast majority of endocrinologists encourage their female patients to take supplemental calcium daily. One of the easiest and most effective methods of increasing your calcium intake is to take an oral calcium supplement daily. There are several forms of oral calcium readily available over the counter (without a perscription) such as Citracal which can help maintain healthy bones and prevent osteoporosis. The following list shows the recommended calcium intake according to age, sex and hormone status.

creepy.

Wesley Flexner · **Joined:** Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1502

well its been fun...

Cookie · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:23 pm

Wesley Flexner wrote:

Cookie wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

No, I went to court with him, and wrote a letter.
As did many people in the Columbus community.

Saying what? That he was just trying to make shit pop?

I am gonna be the bigger man here and look out for elder...

Osteoporosis
The Role of Calcium in Maintaining Bone Strength

The Role of Calcium in the Maintenance of Adult Bone Strength
...and the role of calcium in preventing osteoporosis.

The bones of the human skeleton contain 99.5% of the total calcium in the body. The calcium within bones is available to the body should the body need it for other purposes (see the chapter on the symptoms of hyperparathyroidism for more on this topic). It is the activity of bone osteoclasts which absorb the calcium in the bone and release it into the blood stream (more about this on our parathyroid and osteoporosis page). Remember, it is the calcium within the bones which makes them strong.

The daily recommended dietary calcium intake varies by age, sex, and menopausal status. Recent studies have shown that many American girls do not get enough calcium in their diet after the age of 11. Much of this is blamed upon the substitution of sodas in the diet for milk, yet the problem does not seem to be the same for males (for a number of subtle reasons). It is important to know that many women of all ages in the US do not get enough calcium in their diet either. The vast majority of endocrinologists encourage their female patients to take supplemental calcium daily. One of the easiest and most effective methods of increasing your calcium intake is to take an oral calcium supplement daily. There are several forms of oral calcium readily available over the counter (without a perscription) such as Citracal which can help maintain healthy bones and prevent osteoporosis. The following list shows the recommended calcium intake according to age, sex and hormone status.

Yeah, I guess more age cracks are way easier than answering the question, "JUST WHAT IN THE FUCK IS PBJ TRYING TO COMMUNICATE AND WHY DO THEY HAVE TO DO IT ON SHIT THAT ISN'T THEIRS?"

Clown.

Cookie · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:23 pm

Wesley Flexner wrote:

well its been fun...

No, it hasn't. But thanks for the demonstration of your mad cut and paste skillz.

Wesley Flexner · **Joined:** Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1502

unpossibles wrote:

can we actually just take the black/white and money issue out of this discussion? Yes, I undertsand the roots of why this came up, and that graffiti is a tool of communicationa and expression, but what this is about is senseless vandalism.

I can dig it if the message is one of a political/civil nature - calling for revolution or even equality is fine in my book. BUT:

a - know your target

b - know your audience (sometimes the same thing as a, sometimes not)

this is true of ANY art form, or you're just swinging blindly and will make a fool of yourself.

There is amazing street art out there; PBJ is not it.

I like to look at graffiti.
I like the graffiti PBJ paints.

I see where you are coming from as well.
And can respect your opinion...

I gotta bounce.(sorry for using slang)

annie oakley · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:24 pm

envelope wrote:

annie oakley-

i rap

im from an average 30k to 60k family

i live in a black neighborhood

am i a wigger?

my address is 369 n monroe ave 43203

apparently you have a problem with how white people are supposed to act

come and say hi whenever

or you can come to my next show

sat sept 30 at lil bros

if you dont like graffitti cool, but you seem to be really mad at someone, whats wrong?

I don't care where you live and who you grew up with, you will never be oppressed in this country on the basis of color if you are not a person of color. You can be poor, you can have a hard time, but nobody is ever going to take one look at you and make a decision right then and there like people do with persons' of color.

30k-60k is doing pretty well for the ghetto, FYI. I live in Cincy, near Unpossibles, I am from Cbus, . Though we live in a better part of the city, it would probably be a shitier one in Columbus terms, especially UnP's street. (Sorry, but you know Mad Anthony ain't lacking any MADNESS!) I know Columbus pretty well, and I can guarantee you, that the ghettos down here would scare the crap out of you.

Also, look back through the thread and see where the $$ issues come in. Apparently the PBJ kids think we old folks need to get our stock portfolios up to speed with theirs.

Cookie · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:25 pm

mikecarney wrote:

creepy.

Shouldn't you be counting your brother's money right now?

Cookie · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:26 pm

Wesley Flexner wrote:

I like to look at graffiti.
I like the graffiti PBJ paints.

Sounds like your walls are the perfect place for it.

annie oakley · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:28 pm

tiger yang wrote:

Quick question:

When you people type things like "roll hard" on an internet message board, does it ever occur to you - for even a fraction of a second - how silly, pedestrian, and absolutely ridiculous you sound?

Or, does this concept completely go over your head, subsequently leaving you clueless as to why your silly carbon-copy attempts at subculture identity have become so ripe for parody?

Just asking.

If I was not an old, menopausal, shell of a woman, *leSigh*

unpossibles · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:34 pm

dude, I fucking love looking at a good painting too, so i can totally understand that. I can also understand the thrill of trying to do a painting 50 feet up in the air on a building, hanging upside down over a highway, or whatever. And can understand the thrill of public art.

But writing some less-than-funny made up initials on someone else's door or a street sign? b-o-r-i-n-g and annoying. If you want to break the law or break down society's conventions of what art is, might as well do something cool with it, or make someone think about something other than "damn, that's gonna cost me $200 to remove!"

Or, if you wanna scribble or need to practice, find a place that either doesn't matter or where you're allowed to.

PBJ

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