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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:50 am 
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Wait, so are mushrooms not vegan?

Cuz mushrooms are fungi....


most yeast i think isn't vegan cos they bleach it with chrushed up baby bones (no shit) like they do with white sugar. you gotta buy the unbleached stuff. or something. i quit being vegan in '99 cos i ran out of things to eat, so i'm out of the loop.

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For the record, I'd like to reiterate (again) that prices are determined by supply/demand, not how much something costs to make.

Profit=Price-Cost

There is a business case to be made that charging the same for soy/reg milk would actually increase revenue. You would be decreasing yr profit margin, but "making it up" through volume. This would depend on the location, customer, etc...

Part of running a business is managing a mix of different products/services at differing levels of profitability, with the goal to maximize overall profitability. I believe this is partly what Cookie was trying to say.


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You also have to think about where you are eating and what the clientelle is like. Starbucks goes through milk like nobody's business, for instance.

Now, the Starbucks in San Francisco, probably goes through Soy Milk like crazy, but the other kajillion Starbucks in the midwest, may not.


Hence the extra charge for soy.


But, if you are eating at a place that is catering to Vegans and Veggies, then it would be pretty stupid to charge more for soy.

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Man, vegans are whiny. And I say that as someone who hasn't eaten meat in about 20 years.


I recently overheard one of those hippie/plug-ear types trying to explain how yeast wasn't "vegan". Perhaps someone could correct me, but I've always thought it was (scientifically) classified a "plant".


technically, I think it would be nigh-impossible to live truly as a vegan in a modern society where you are not growing your own food, and carefully removing all earthworms and bugs from your soil by hand, not to mention being careful where you step, and remembering to put a net in front of your windshield so you don't squash bugs.

That said, I can dig trying to reduce meat/animal consumption for a variety of reasons: health, environmental, social/ethical, economic, etc.

And for all the anti-government Republican/Libertarian meat eaters out there, remember that the government pays many millions of your tax dollars to cattle farmers in water subsidies so that your beef won't cost $30/lb. So you're basically sucking big time off the State Teat with every meal: Enjoy that steak welfare.

Also - back to topic - almost all restaurants charge extra for anything, such as the $.50 slice of cheese or tomato, so either suck it up, or don't order it, or support the places that don't.

Now, I need to try this place this weekend when I am in town.

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technically, I think it would be nigh-impossible to live truly as a vegan in a modern society where you are not growing your own food, and carefully removing all earthworms and bugs from your soil by hand, not to mention being careful where you step, and remembering to put a net in front of your windshield so you don't squash bugs.


Not to mention, being vegan suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

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Now, I need to try this place this weekend when I am in town.


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most yeast i think isn't vegan cos they bleach it with chrushed up baby bones (no shit) like they do with white sugar. you gotta buy the unbleached stuff. or something.


I don't think yeast is bleached. I think you're thinking of flour.

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most yeast i think isn't vegan cos they bleach it with chrushed up baby bones (no shit) like they do with white sugar. you gotta buy the unbleached stuff. or something.


I don't think yeast is bleached. I think you're thinking of flour.


You are right. You cannot bleach yeast because you will kill it, hence it is not vegan.

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You cannot bleach yeast because you will kill it, hence it is not vegan.


Of course not, it's MURDER!

(For the record, yeast is vegan.)

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annie oakley wrote:
You are right. You cannot bleach yeast because you will kill it, hence it is not vegan.


wha? if you bleach a plant, you'll kill it too. I don't think subject to death by bleach is the metric for vegan/non-vegan. I'm pretty sure fungi are on the menu for vegans, if Dragonfly and other vegan restaurants are any indicator. Maybe the difference is if you're eating it while it's still alive? I dunno. Seems like an issue of exactly when you kill the fungi, either when you pick the mushroom or when you digest the yeast, that is the only difference.

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I was trying to be ironic.....It didn't work.

I tried making vegan mac and cheese (you have to use a lot of nutritional yeast) for a five year old once......guess how that worked out?

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I tried making vegan mac and cheese (you have to use a lot of nutritional yeast) for a five year old once......guess how that worked out?


Couldn't you just take away some of his toys or give him a time out instead?

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You are right. You cannot bleach yeast because you will kill it, hence it is not vegan.


wha? if you bleach a plant, you'll kill it too. I don't think subject to death by bleach is the metric for vegan/non-vegan. I'm pretty sure fungi are on the menu for vegans, if Dragonfly and other vegan restaurants are any indicator. Maybe the difference is if you're eating it while it's still alive? I dunno. Seems like an issue of exactly when you kill the fungi, either when you pick the mushroom or when you digest the yeast, that is the only difference.


Stomach acid death - eeeewwww.

I am sorry, no way with everything going on in the world, am I gonna sweat poor innocent yeast!

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I tried making vegan mac and cheese (you have to use a lot of nutritional yeast) for a five year old once......guess how that worked out?


Couldn't you just take away some of his toys or give him a time out instead?


You know, he asked me the same thing.

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i'm such an insensitive meat-eating bastard.


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I could never give up cheese.


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I could never give up cheese.


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I understand how capitlism works.
I was applauding the places that don't charge me for soy cheese and soy milk.
I think I understand supply and demand.
Thats why I made post thanking the places that don't charge me more.
Consumer satisfaction.
Vegan Popular Mechanics.

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I am vegan just cause it seems like a really way to not hurt animals.
Obvouisly, you can't be 100 percent cruelty free, but you can be a lot closer if you attempt to not use animal products.
I don't like inflicting pain on things I know that can feel.
So I have the option of controlling it.
So I do.

The overall philosophy for me is.
Just because you can get away with expoloiting something, doesn't mean you should do it.

You can fire a million loopholes.
But I would imagine being vegan is fairly simple way to at least do one thing right.

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But I would imagine being vegan is fairly simple way to at least do one thing right.


It's also a very simple way to suck all the pleasure out of eating.

I'm curious, how long have you been vegan?

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But I would imagine being vegan is fairly simple way to at least do one thing right.


It's also a very simple way to suck all the pleasure out of eating.

I'm curious, how long have you been vegan?


i tried going veggie even for 2 weeks, one bite of tofurkey and it was over.


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i tried going veggie even for 2 weeks, one bite of tofurkey and it was over.


Tofurkey sucks. I'm not much of a fan of fake meat. If I wanted to eat meat that badly, I would.

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Well, it all deoends on what you think is right.

Cows that are on organic farms that are used for milking are not pumped full of stimulants etc, to make them produce more milk. When a cow needs to be milked it HURTS really badly (just like when a woman weens her little ones, it is extremely painful) so is it mean to milk her? To relieve her of the pain? I mean the pain will last about four days and then she dries up.

Also, I grew up on a farm and I don't think it is wrong to eat animals. I think it is wrong to support Big Ag and Con Ag, I support independent local and national organic farmers.

I don't think there is anything wrong with being vegan, you are making the right choice for you. But what is right to you, is not necessarily right to me.

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i tried going veggie even for 2 weeks, one bite of tofurkey and it was over.


Tofurkey sucks. I'm not much of a fan of fake meat. If I wanted to eat meat that badly, I would.


There are some fake soysauge products out there that I think are pretty good, but you have to mix them in with hash browns, ect.

I love garden burgers, but I hate seitan patties, or grillers, anything that tries to taste like meat. Ick.

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I think eating meat substitutes is a bad way to get on the veggie train. I say eat what's good about vegtables, that is, the veggies themselves. Stir fries, pastas, burritos, lasagna, sammiches, soups, all the stuff that's good with meat, just leave the meat out. I don't miss the meat when what you've got is good by itself. I still eat meat on occasion, but I agree, fake meat is nasty. I'd rather just have plain tofu. Although I will say the fake chicken nuggets that are really soy are pretty good.

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