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This is a political counterpoint article about the recent so-called "walkout" at a Pearl Jam concert, its pretty sharp and does really show how a lot of reporting done on any political subject can be easily biased. I put it here because its more about Eddie Vedder's politics than it is about Pearl Jam's music, plus its just an interesting article on how celebrities are being despised for their views. Were people really surprised to find that Pearl Jam are a politically oriented band at times? It's not like they converted from Republicanism just recently to suddenly become left-wing monsters (and noice the use of 'convert' I thought it fitting). And yeah most of the people left during the encore, weird huh? No one ever leaves during the encore! Here's the piece:

Pearl Jam Reads Reporter Riot Act

By Josh Grossberg

Is Pearl Jam the next Dixie Chicks?

On the defensive for some antiwar remarks at the opening show of their first North American tour in nearly three years, the grunge rockers are rejecting as media hype a report that there was a mass walkout by upset fans after lead singer Eddie Vedder impaled a mask of President Bush on a microphone stand during the encore.

"There were close to 12,000 people at the April 1 Denver show. It's possible two dozen left during the encore, but it was not noticeable amongst the 11,976 who were loudly applauding and enjoying the evening's music," the band said in a statement. "It just made a better headline to report otherwise."

The headline in question stemmed from a story by Scripps Howard News Service reporter Mark Brown, who wrote on Wednesday that dozens of angry fans walked out after Vedder's tirade, complaining that he went too far during his anti-Bush song "Bushleaguer" (the lyrics says the President is "not a leader/he's a Texas leaguer"), which concluded the show.

Brown didn't note that some concertgoers traditionally leave during the encore just to beat the traffic. In its statement, Pearl Jam also points out that Brown never mentioned any incensed fans in his review of the concert for the Rocky Mountain News, entitled "Pearl Jam Show Will Make a Great CD."

The Seattle-based musicians also defends their frontman's right to express himself.

"Dissension is nothing we shy away from--it should just be reported about more accurately," the band says. "Ed's talk from the stage centered on the importance of freedom of speech and the importance of supporting our soldiers as well as an expression of sadness over the public being made to feel as though the two sentiments can't occur simultaneously."

Vedder, who two years ago lobbied for Ralph Nader (news - web sites), first started getting political about midway through the show.

"You got a minute for this?" he asked the audience, before relating a conversation he had with a Vietnam veteran whom Vedder said had strong doubts about the war in Iraq (news - web sites).

After someone in the crowd yelled "Shut up," Vedder tried to be the better man.

"I don't know if you heard about this thing called freedom of speech, man. It's worth thinking about it, because it's going away. In the last year of being able to use it, we're sure as [expletive] going to use it and I'm not going to apologize," Vedder said to mostly cheers, per Brown's account.

Later in the show, Vedder voiced his support of the troops in Iraq.

"To the families [of soldiers] and those people who know those folks and are related to those folks and are married to those folks, we send our support. We're just confused on how wanting to bring them back safely all of a sudden becomes nonsupport. We love them, we support them. They're not the ones who make the foreign policy...let's hope for the best and speak our opinions."

Pearl Jam concluded its 24-song set with a rousing cover of Neil Young's classic, "Rockin' in the Free World," a pointed criticism of the first President Bush's tenure in the White House.

Brown said Vedder's remarks drew some cheers mixed with boos from the audience, but some thought the singer definitely went overboard.

"When he was sharing his political views in a fairly benign manner supporting our troops, opposing policy that's okay," fan Keith Zimmerman, a Denver native, was quoted as saying in the report. But when Vedder impaled the Bush mask, Zimmerman said, "It was like he decapitated someone in a primal ritual and stuck their head on a stick. It kinda blows away the Dixie Chicks (news - web sites)."

The gesture also drew the ire of many on Pearl Jam's official Rumor Pit Website.

"If you hate our country so much. Move to Iraq! You live an incredible life...make millions a year...quit your complaining. . .you guys are worse than the sick people defecating and vomiting in our streets!!! A boycott is starting and this, hopefully, will be bigger than the boycott of the Dixie Chicks," writes one poster.

Another, calling himself ProudYank, says, "You want to publicly deface your president? You want to encourage the Iraqi's [sic] to fight harder cause you make them think we are soft? Then go live somewhere else! You celebs think we are interested in what you think? ...We don't want your opinions on world peace, save the whales or whatever else you have the luxury to spend the time and money on cause you don't have day jobs like the rest of us. Enjoy your money, shut up and sing, thats [sic] why you are here. Or leave. And take the Dixie Chicks, Striesand [sic], Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn and all you other wealthy entertainers who think they need to tell us what to think. Your CD's [sic] have just become beer coasters."

Still, the pro-Pearl jam posts have been eclipsing the negative by a roughly 4-to-one margin. "ED's political oppinion [sic] is tottally [sic] right and to all those who hadn't figured it all yet....Pearl Jam and Eddie ALWAYS talked about politics and human rights, and their music is a polittical [sic] statement of justice and freedom, u [sic] can't separate music from your vision of the world," writes one fan. Another puts it more succinctly: "ED ROCKS!!!!"

Although Pearl Jam is not nearly as commercially successful as during the grunge glory days, neither the band nor its label, Sony's Epic Records, wants to deal with the backlash--especially after seeing what's happened to another Sony act, the Dixie Chicks.

After singer Natalie Maines said she was ashamed that President hailed from Texas during a concert in London last month, fans called for a boycott and country radio stations across the nation stopped playing the Texas trio's music and record sales have plummeted. Fans in Louisiana even took to burning their CDs in a public bonfire.

Things have apparently gotten so bad that Chick Martie Maguire said the musicians now fears for their safety.

"We've gotten a lot of hate mail, a lot of threatening mail," Maguire told reporters in Australia. "Emily [Robison] had the front gate of her ranch smashed in. We have to have security when we get back to the States. It puts my well-being in jeopardy."

The Chicks kick off their mostly sold-out U.S. tour May 1 in Greenville, South Carolina, where a protest is already planned.

Still, Maines is sticking by her guns.

"The more flak I get for it, the prouder I am," said Maines.

As for Pearl Jam, the band played Oklahoma City Thursday night and is slated to perform in San Antonio on Saturday.


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Here's an article that'll be sure to raise some people's ire. They say Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon endangered troops lives by flipping peace signs at the Oscars, a claim designed to make brains explode no doubt. Read about the insanity here:

'Bull Durham' Event Canceled on Robbins War StanceBy Gina Keating

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Baseball's Hall of Fame has canceled its tribute for the 15th anniversary of the film "Bull Durham" because of the anti-war stance of the movie's stars, Tim Robbins and his longtime partner, Susan Sarandon.

Hall of Fame President Dale Petroskey, a former aide to President Ronald Reagan, canceled an April 26-27 celebration of the film, saying Robbins and Sarandon endangered U.S. troops in Iraq (news - web sites) by flashing peace signs to cameras at the Academy Awards (news - web sites) ceremony last month and by speaking against the conflict.

Robbins told Reuters in an interview that he was stunned by the decision and charged that Petroskey was playing politics by trying to turn baseball into "a Republican sport."


A spokesman for Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig said professional baseball had nothing to do with the Hall of Fame event and did not make "political statements."


The actor and Sarandon were to participate in a discussion of baseball and the film with writer-director Ron Shelton and actor Robert Wuhl, who also played in the film, at the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York.

"WE STAND BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT"

But on Wednesday, Petroskey told Robbins in a letter that he had canceled the event because "as an institution, we stand behind our President and our troops in this conflict."


"We believe your very public criticism of President Bush (news - web sites) at this important -- and sensitive -- time in our nation's history helps undermine the U.S. position, which ultimately could put our troops in more danger," Petroskey wrote.

At the Academy Awards, the couple flashed peace signs as they walked the red carpet to the Kodak Theater in Los Angeles. Both Robbins and Sarandon are vocal opponents of the war.

In a letter to Petroskey, Robbins said he was dismayed. "As an American who believes that vigorous debate is necessary for the survival of a democracy I reject your suggestion that one must be silent in times of war.

"I wish you had ... saved me the rhetoric and talked honestly about your ties to the Bush and Reagan administrations. You are using what power you have to infringe upon my rights to free speech..."

Robbins, 44, said Petroskey apparently faxed his letter to the media at the same time he mailed it to Robbins "to make it a story, the message of which is, if you oppose this administration, you can be punished."

Robbins and Sarandon were banned from the Academy Awards in 1993 after they used their appearances as presenters to call attention to a group of Haitians AIDS (news - web sites) sufferers interned in Guantanamo Bay.


"We were banned ... until we were nominated and then they had to invite us," Robbins said. "I guess I'll have to become a pretty good baseball player pretty quickly to get back in the Hall of Fame."


He also found disturbing the cancellation last month of a United Way event featuring Sarandon, as well as the backlash against the country western group the Dixie Chicks (news - web sites) for speaking against the war and Bush.


Shelton, the film's director, said: "I can't believe that this country has come to the point where people of disparate political opinions can't gather together to celebrate something we can all agree on -- baseball and films."


Actor Kevin Costner, a Republican who played a lead role in "Bull Durham, said in a statement: "I think Tim and Susan's courage is the type of courage that makes our democracy work. Pulling back this 'invite' is against the whole principle about what we fight for and profess to be about."


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