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 Post subject: the GOP's pledge for America
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:45 pm 
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ah, they pulled a Boehner. Dress up the same-old-same-old which got us into this mess to the point where we are still recovering and call it a "new direction" and convince their supporters that this time it will be different, that THIS time they won't beat you, baby. I don't know what is sadder, that they continue to peddle the same old garbage, or that people continue to lap it up and fall for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... id=topnews

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 Post subject: Re: the GOP's pledge for America
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:08 pm 
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an example:
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Yesterday, after a Republican Ways and Means Committee members press conference, ThinkProgress asked Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) if Republicans would truly use the ideas from their own online platform — as they said they would — and include the popular idea to remove tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas in their “Pledge to America.” Brady, who actually voted to protect tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, attacked the idea.


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 Post subject: Re: the GOP's pledge for America
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:10 pm 
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"same-old-same-old which got us into this mess"

While that may make for a good campaign talking point, most voters are smart enough to know it isn't true.


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 Post subject: Re: the GOP's pledge for America
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:41 am 
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bnb614 wrote:
"same-old-same-old which got us into this mess"

While that may make for a good campaign talking point, most voters are smart enough to know it isn't true.

Unlike yourself, I remember 4 short years ago when all those Republicans lost their jobs due to voters being angry about the GOP's horrible economics among other things. Those policies have not changed.

I'd like to say voters remember that too, but the cynic in me is not so sure, especially as all they hear is mostly made up crap about how everything is Obama's fault.

I suppose the GOP's confidence in the intelligence of voters is why they continually are purging voter rolls and put out memes which essentially tell people "all politicians are the same (but vote for us anyway)" like one tends to hear from TPers who conveniently don't like Bush (now) although they forgot to say anything about it previously.

So perhaps this Contract...er.. Pledge will be different from the 1994 one and they'll actually do what they say? BAHAHAHAHA.. ok, probably not. Same old bullshit that Reagan and both Bushes peddled and yet amazingly there's been no actual success or proof that supply side economics works, has there? I mean, taxes are extremely low and we're totally swimming in jobs, right? And back in... oh, most of the 20th century when taxes ranged from slightly higher than now to astronomically too high, America was so unproductive, and the rich lived in tents. Show me one Republican administration in the past few decades which did not under-perform, which did not add to the deficit, which did not grow government reach and spending, which actually lived up to their rhetoric. One. That's all I ask.

Sorry for being rude, but I am getting sick of the bullshit. Even sadder is that they manage to convince people like you to carry their water for them, even though you don't benefit from their policies.

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 Post subject: Re: the GOP's pledge for America
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:11 am 
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I found this to be thought-provoking..


Americans Vastly Underestimate Wealth Inequality, Support 'More Equal Distribution Of Wealth': Study

by William Alden

Americans vastly underestimate the degree of wealth inequality in America, and we believe that the distribution should be far more equitable than it actually is, according to a new study.

Or, as the study's authors put it: "All demographic groups -- even those not usually associated with wealth redistribution such as Republicans and the wealthy -- desired a more equal distribution of wealth than the status quo."

The report "Building a Better America -- One Wealth Quintile At A Time" by Dan Ariely of Duke University and Michael I. Norton of Harvard Business School (hat tip to Paul Kedrosky), shows that across ideological, economic and gender groups, Americans thought the richest 20 percent of our society controlled about 59 percent of the wealth, while the real number was closer to 84 percent.

More interesting than that, the report says, is that the respondents (a randomly selected 5,522-person sample, reflecting the country's ideological, economic and gender demographics, surveyed in December 2005) believed the top 20 percent should own only 32 percent of the wealth. Respondents with incomes over $100,000 per year had similar answers to those making less then $50,000. (The report has helpful, multi-colored charts.)

The respondents were presented with unlabeled pie charts representing the wealth distributions of the U.S., where the richest 20 percent controlled about 84 percent of wealth, and Sweden, where the top 20 percent only controlled 36 percent of wealth. Without knowing which country they were picking, 92 percent of respondents said they'd rather live in a country with Sweden's wealth distribution.

As the new Forbes billionaires list, released Wednesday, testifies, the richest Americans are getting richer, even as the country as a whole gets poorer. After 2005 income inequality continued to balloon.

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 Post subject: Re: the GOP's pledge for America
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Albert said:
some statistical research at http://www.statemaster.com/ on how the states compare for various economic and social indicators, with some interesting results.

States tax burden per capita: Look at all those in the top 50% vs. bottom 50%, and note the low tax burden in the former Confederacy

# 1 Hawaii: $3,050.03
# 2 Wyoming: $2,973.87
# 3 Connecticut: $2,941.21
# 4 Minnesota: $2,890.90
# 5 Delaware: $2,862.03
# 6 Vermont: $2,844.96
# 7 Massachusetts: $2,628.26
# 8 New Jersey: $2,415.82
# 9 California: $2,391.65
# 10 Michigan: $2,381.34
# 11 New York: $2,376.77
# 12 Wisconsin: $2,296.20
# 13 Washington: $2,238.66
# 14 Rhode Island: $2,230.43
# 15 Maryland: $2,214.49
# 16 Maine: $2,202.86
# 17 New Mexico: $2,102.88
# 18 Nebraska: $2,082.27
# 19 West Virginia: $2,067.85
# 20 Pennsylvania: $2,045.09
# 21 Kentucky: $2,043.31
# 22 Alaska: $2,034.51
# 23 Nevada: $2,031.24
# 24 Arkansas: $2,029.34
# 25 Illinois: $2,005.24
# 26 North Carolina: $1,971.48
# 27 Ohio: $1,962.93
# 28 Kansas: $1,932.58
# 29 North Dakota: $1,932.22
# 30 Indiana: $1,920.26
# 31 Virginia: $1,902.56
# 32 Idaho: $1,898.06
# 33 Oklahoma: $1,823.70
# 34 Louisiana: $1,781.78
# 35 Mississippi: $1,766.54
# 36 Florida: $1,756.36
# 37 Montana: $1,753.71
# 38 Iowa: $1,741.66
# 39 Utah: $1,733.15
# 40 Oregon: $1,699.55
# 41 Arizona: $1,673.57
# 42 Georgia: $1,633.84
# 43 South Carolina: $1,620.67
# 44 Tennessee: $1,617.03
# 45 Missouri: $1,583.28
# 46 Alabama: $1,550.99
# 47 New Hampshire: $1,543.79
# 48 Colorado: $1,532.26
# 49 South Dakota: $1,378.37
# 50 Texas: $1,368.45
Weighted average: $2,049.20

Best Educated states: Oddly enough, there appears to be a positive correlation between tax burden and rank of education overall. The outliers/exceptions to this correlation such as Hawaii have mitigating factors.

# 1 Vermont: 17.58
# 2 Connecticut: 15.88
# 3 Massachusetts: 14.48
# 4 New Jersey: 12.55
# 5 Maine: 9.33
# 6 Minnesota: 8.97
# 7 Virginia: 8.47
# 8 Wisconsin: 8.45
# 9 Montana: 8.3
# 10 New York: 7.53
# 11 Pennsylvania: 6.76
# 12 Nebraska: 6.55
# 13 Kansas: 4.79
# 14 Iowa: 4.75
# 15 New Hampshire: 4.59
# 16 Rhode Island: 3.11
# 17 Wyoming: 2.39
# 18 South Dakota: 2.29
# 19 Maryland: 2.23
# 20 North Dakota: 2.06
# 21 Missouri: 1.93
# 22 North Carolina: 1.68
# 23 Colorado: -0.32
# 24 Texas: -0.44
# 25 Delaware: -0.93
# 26 Indiana: -1.34
# 27 Michigan: -1.41
# 28 Idaho: -1.46
# 29 South Carolina: -2.15
# 30 Washington: -2.17
# 31 Ohio: -2.73
# 32 Illinois: -3.07
# 33 Utah: -3.69
# 34 West Virginia: -3.77
# 35 Kentucky: -4.28
# 36 Florida: -4.41
# 37 Arkansas: -5.19
# 38 Oregon: -7.43
# 39 Oklahoma: -7.74
# 40 Georgia: -8.04
# 41 Tennessee: -8.48
# 42 Hawaii: -9.67
# 43 Alabama: -11.11
# 44 Alaska: -11.25
# 45 Louisiana: -11.56
# 46 California: -12.57
# 47 Nevada: -13.11
# 48 New Mexico: -13.37
# 49 Mississippi: -14.31
# 50 Arizona: -17.81
Weighted average: -0.6

Richest states: Apparently, high taxes do not interfere with prosperity, and low taxes do not encourage it on a per capita basis. Again, outliers such as Washington DC have special circumstances. Texas can only manage a middling rank despite the lowest tax burden in the country.

# 1 District of Columbia: $136,714.13 per capita
# 2 Delaware: $64,609.90 per capita
# 3 Connecticut: $53,296.35 per capita
# 4 Alaska: $51,044.13 per capita
# 5 Massachusetts: $49,647.88 per capita
# 6 Wyoming: $47,728.82 per capita
# 7 New Jersey: $47,705.27 per capita
# 8 New York: $46,724.35 per capita
# 9 Minnesota: $43,957.50 per capita
# 10 Virginia: $43,162.41 per capita
# 11 Colorado: $42,860.75 per capita
# 12 California: $42,727.46 per capita
# 13 Illinois: $41,439.21 per capita
# 14 Washington: $41,313.29 per capita
# 15 Nevada: $41,151.11 per capita
# 16 Maryland: $40,445.95 per capita
# 17 New Hampshire: $39,770.52 per capita
# 18 Hawaii: $39,314.80 per capita
# 19 Rhode Island: $38,953.19 per capita
# 20 North Carolina: $38,625.90 per capita
# 21 Nebraska: $38,601.04 per capita
# 22 Texas: $38,536.19 per capita
# 23 Iowa: $38,521.96 per capita
# 24 Wisconsin: $38,244.10 per capita
# 25 South Dakota: $37,914.36 per capita
# 26 Pennsylvania: $37,719.03 per capita
# 27 Georgia: $37,554.82 per capita
# 28 North Dakota: $37,037.62 per capita
# 29 Michigan: $36,830.47 per capita
# 30 Ohio: $36,484.34 per capita
# 31 Tennessee: $36,381.10 per capita
# 32 Indiana: $36,235.97 per capita
# 33 Kansas: $36,102.48 per capita
# 34 Vermont: $35,493.14 per capita
# 35 Oregon: $35,189.24 per capita
# 36 Missouri: $35,033.99 per capita
# 37 Arizona: $33,616.80 per capita
# 38 Louisiana: $33,599.80 per capita
# 39 Florida: $33,419.31 per capita
# 40 Utah: $33,346.90 per capita
# 41 Maine: $32,749.78 per capita
# 42 Kentucky: $32,446.41 per capita
# 43 South Carolina: $31,786.22 per capita
# 44 New Mexico: $31,601.59 per capita
# 45 Alabama: $30,394.87 per capita
# 46 Idaho: $30,334.56 per capita
# 47 Oklahoma: $30,225.34 per capita
# 48 Montana: $29,605.52 per capita
# 49 Arkansas: $28,805.89 per capita
# 50 West Virginia: $27,395.68 per capita
# 51 Mississippi: $26,087.88 per capita
# 52 US Virgin Islands: $22,997.39 per capita
# 53 Guam: $18,983.89 per capita
# 54 Puerto Rico: $18,499.23 per capita
# 55 Northern Mariana Islands: $11,199.32 per capita
# 56 American Samoa: $8,638.41 per capita
Weighted average: $38,014.42 per capita

Poorest states: Percent of residents below poverty line--If your taxes are high, your citizens are more educated, more prosperous, and less likely to be poor. If your taxes are low, your citizens are less educated and more likely to be poor. Again, the exceptions such as Wash DC have special circumstances

# 1 Mississippi: 21.6%
# 2 Louisiana: 19.4%
# 3 New Mexico: 19.3%
# 4 District of Columbia: 18.9%
= 5 Arkansas: 17.9%
= 5 West Virginia: 17.9%
# 7 Kentucky: 17.4%
# 8 Texas: 16.6%
# 9 Alabama: 16.1%
# 10 South Carolina: 15.7%
# 11 Oklahoma: 15.3%
# 12 North Carolina: 15.2%
# 13 Georgia: 14.8%
= 14 Tennessee: 14.5%
= 14 Idaho: 14.5%
= 16 Montana: 14.2%
= 16 Arizona: 14.2%
= 16 New York: 14.2%
# 19 Oregon: 14.1%
# 20 California: 13.3%
# 21 Washington: 13.1%
# 22 Rhode Island: 12.8%
# 23 Nevada: 12.6%
# 24 Ohio: 12.5%
= 25 Maine: 12.3%
= 25 Michigan: 12.3%
# 27 Florida: 12.2%
# 28 North Dakota: 12.1%
# 29 Illinois: 11.9%
# 30 Missouri: 11.8%
# 31 Pennsylvania: 11.7%
# 32 Colorado: 11.1%
= 33 Nebraska: 11%
= 33 South Dakota: 11%
# 35 Utah: 10.9%
# 36 Indiana: 10.8%
# 37 Wisconsin: 10.7%
# 38 Hawaii: 10.6%
# 39 Kansas: 10.5%
# 40 Wyoming: 10.3%
= 41 Delaware: 9.9%
= 41 Iowa: 9.9%
# 43 Virginia: 9.5%
# 44 Massachusetts: 9.2%
# 45 Vermont: 9%
# 46 Maryland: 8.8%
# 47 New Jersey: 8.5%
# 48 Minnesota: 8.3%
# 49 Alaska: 8.2%
= 50 Connecticut: 7.6%
= 50 New Hampshire: 7.6%
Weighted average: 12.8%

Firearm death rates per 100,000 residents: See the pattern emerging? Low taxes/bad education/poverty/more gun violence for some citizens, higher taxes/better education/less poverty/less gun violence for other citizens. This calls into question the concept of equal protection/equal opportunity and whether these values are real or just lip service, and it begins to indicate the kind of nation the so-called conservative movement and its proto-fascist extremists have in mind for all our citizens.

# 1 District of Columbia: 31.2
# 2 Alaska: 20
# 3 Louisiana: 19.5
# 4 Wyoming: 18.8
# 5 Arizona: 18
= 6 Nevada: 17.3
= 6 Mississippi: 17.3
# 8 New Mexico: 16.6
# 9 Arkansas: 16.3
# 10 Alabama: 16.2
# 11 Tennessee: 15.4
# 12 West Virginia: 14.7
# 13 Montana: 14.5
# 14 South Carolina: 13.8
# 15 North Carolina: 13.6
# 16 Georgia: 13.4
= 17 Kentucky: 13.1
= 17 Oklahoma: 13.1
= 19 Missouri: 12.3
= 19 Idaho: 12.3
# 21 Indiana: 11.7
= 22 Colorado: 11.5
= 22 Maryland: 11.5
= 24 Florida: 11.1
= 24 Virginia: 11.1
# 26 Texas: 11
# 27 Michigan: 10.9
# 28 Oregon: 10.5
# 29 Pennsylvania: 9.9
# 30 California: 9.8
= 31 Illinois: 9.7
= 31 Kansas: 9.7
= 31 Utah: 9.7
# 34 Vermont: 9.6
= 35 Ohio: 9.3
= 35 Washington: 9.3
= 37 Delaware: 9.1
= 37 North Dakota: 9.1
= 39 Wisconsin: 8.1
= 39 Nebraska: 8.1
# 41 South Dakota: 7.9
# 42 Iowa: 6.7
# 43 Maine: 6.5
# 44 Minnesota: 6
# 45 New Hampshire: 5.8
= 46 Rhode Island: 5.1
= 46 New York: 5.1
# 48 New Jersey: 4.9
# 49 Connecticut: 4.3
# 50 Massachusetts: 3.1
# 51 Hawaii: 2.8
Weighted average: 11.5

Penny Pinchers, or States whose citizens save for a rainy day: Despite relatively high tax burdens, guess which states generally have thrifty citizens who live well within their means? Hint: they did not secede from the Union or have governors named Bush.
Nest Egg Index: Index ranking the ability to build and nurture financial saving and retirement assets.
# 1 New Jersey: 114.35
# 2 Connecticut: 113.98
# 3 Minnesota: 113.7
# 4 New Hampshire: 112.19
# 5 Massachusetts: 111.77
# 6 Maryland: 111.4
# 7 Delaware: 108.73
# 8 Michigan: 107.45
# 9 Wisconsin: 107.41
# 10 Colorado: 106.41
# 11 Illinois: 105.87
# 12 Virginia: 105.14
# 13 Utah: 104.71
# 14 Indiana: 103.8
# 15 Washington: 103.55
# 16 Alaska: 103.46
# 17 Pennsylvania: 103.44
# 18 Vermont: 103.33
# 19 Iowa: 103.3
# 20 Kansas: 103.18
# 21 Hawaii: 102.95
# 22 Rhode Island: 102.02
# 23 Ohio: 101.94
# 24 Missouri: 100.81
# 25 Oregon: 100.04
# 26 Maine: 99.71
# 27 Nevada: 99.04
# 28 Idaho: 98.71
# 29 Arizona: 98.49
# 30 Wyoming: 97.96
# 31 North Carolina: 97.91
# 32 California: 97.86
# 33 Nebraska: 97.24
# 34 South Dakota: 97.14
# 35 Florida: 97.04
# 36 Georgia: 96.81
# 37 North Dakota: 96.36
# 38 New York: 95.53
# 39 South Carolina: 94.37
# 40 Montana: 94.2
# 41 Kentucky: 92.97
# 42 Tennessee: 92.55
# 43 Texas: 92.02
# 44 New Mexico: 91.46
# 45 West Virginia: 90.39
# 46 Alabama: 89.29
# 47 Oklahoma: 87.77
# 48 Arkansas: 87.12
# 49 Louisiana: 86.94
# 50 Mississippi: 85.48
Weighted average: 100.2

Percent of Housing Units that are Mobile Homes: It appears that not only do some states have citizens unable to save much, but that they live in mobile homes at greater frequency

# 1 South Carolina: 18.8 %
# 2 North Carolina: 16.8 %
# 3 New Mexico: 16.6 %
# 4 West Virginia: 16 %
# 5 Alabama: 14.7 %
# 6 Wyoming: 14.5 %
# 7 Kentucky: 13.9 %
# 8 Mississippi: 13.8 %
# 9 Arizona: 13.3 %
= 10 Montana: 12.8 %
= 10 Arkansas: 12.8 %
# 12 South Dakota: 12.1 %
= 13 Louisiana: 11.7 %
= 13 Delaware: 11.7 %
# 15 Georgia: 11 %
# 16 Idaho: 10.9 %
# 17 Florida: 10.4 %
= 18 Oregon: 9.9 %
= 18 Tennessee: 9.9 %
# 20 Oklahoma: 9.5 %
# 21 Maine: 8.9 %
# 22 North Dakota: 8.6 %
# 23 Texas: 8 %
# 24 Nevada: 7.9 %
# 25 Washington: 7.5 %
# 26 Missouri: 7.3 %
# 27 Vermont: 7.2 %
# 28 Alaska: 6.9 %
= 29 New Hampshire: 6.5 %
= 29 Indiana: 6.5 %
# 31 Virginia: 6.1 %
= 32 Wisconsin: 6 %
= 32 Michigan: 6 %
# 34 Kansas: 5.2 %
# 35 Colorado: 4.9 %
# 36 Pennsylvania: 4.6 %
# 37 Nebraska: 4.5 %
= 38 California: 4.4 %
= 38 Ohio: 4.4 %
= 40 Iowa: 4.2 %
= 40 Utah: 4.2 %
# 42 Minnesota: 3.9 %
# 43 Illinois: 2.8 %
# 44 New York: 2.6 %
# 45 Maryland: 2 %
# 46 Connecticut: 1.2 %
= 47 Massachusetts: 1 %
= 47 Rhode Island: 1 %
# 49 New Jersey: 0.9 %
# 50 Hawaii: 0.2 %
# 51 District of Columbia: 0 %
Weighted average: 8.0 %

Child Death Rate by state: And which states give children the worst chances of reaching adulthood? Perhaps a strong economic base of prosperous, well educated citizens paying taxes to effective government might help? Yes, it apparently does help, and failure to have a strong public sector means children die more often.

Child Death Rate by State per 100,000 Population:
# 1 Mississippi: 35
# 2 Alaska: 34
= 3 South Dakota: 33
= 3 Louisiana: 33
# 5 Oklahoma: 31
= 6 Alabama: 30
= 6 Arkansas: 30
= 8 Arizona: 29
= 8 Wyoming: 29
= 10 Kentucky: 28
= 10 Montana: 28
# 12 Georgia: 27
# 13 South Carolina: 26
= 14 Idaho: 25
= 14 New Mexico: 25
= 16 Kansas: 24
= 16 Missouri: 24
= 16 Texas: 24
= 19 Florida: 23
= 19 Iowa: 23
= 19 Nebraska: 23
= 19 Tennessee: 23
= 23 Colorado: 22
= 23 Delaware: 22
= 23 Michigan: 22
= 23 Nevada: 22
= 23 Maryland: 22
= 23 Indiana: 22
= 23 North Carolina: 22
= 23 Illinois: 22
= 31 West Virginia: 21
= 31 Wisconsin: 21
= 33 Pennsylvania: 20
= 33 New Hampshire: 20
= 33 Utah: 20
= 36 Vermont: 19
= 36 Ohio: 19
= 38 Washington: 18
= 38 California: 18
= 38 New York: 18
= 38 Virginia: 18
= 38 Oregon: 18
= 43 Minnesota: 17
= 43 North Dakota: 17
= 45 Hawaii: 16
= 45 Maine: 16
= 47 Massachusetts: 15
= 47 Rhode Island: 15
= 49 Connecticut: 14
= 49 New Jersey: 14
Weighted average: 22.7

Suicide rate by state: Suicide rates per capita suggest that lower taxes, worse education, less skilled and proseperous work force, higher child mortality, and suicide go hand in hand for much of the country. It's especially depressing to be from the same state as Dick Cheney or Sara Palin.

# 1 Wyoming: 0.214 per 1,000 people
# 2 Montana: 0.192 per 1,000 people
# 3 Alaska: 0.187 per 1,000 people
# 4 Nevada: 0.18 per 1,000 people
# 5 New Mexico: 0.178 per 1,000 people
# 6 Oregon: 0.163 per 1,000 people
# 7 Colorado: 0.156 per 1,000 people
# 8 Idaho: 0.152 per 1,000 people
# 9 West Virginia: 0.146 per 1,000 people
# 10 Arizona: 0.141 per 1,000 people
= 11 Kentucky: 0.136 per 1,000 people
= 11 Utah: 0.136 per 1,000 people
# 13 Arkansas: 0.135 per 1,000 people
# 14 Oklahoma: 0.134 per 1,000 people
# 15 Vermont: 0.133 per 1,000 people
# 16 South Dakota: 0.131 per 1,000 people
# 17 Florida: 0.129 per 1,000 people
= 18 Tennessee: 0.128 per 1,000 people
= 18 Washington: 0.128 per 1,000 people
# 20 North Dakota: 0.127 per 1,000 people
# 21 Kansas: 0.126 per 1,000 people
# 22 New Hampshire: 0.121 per 1,000 people
# 23 Iowa: 0.119 per 1,000 people
= 24 Indiana: 0.117 per 1,000 people
= 24 Missouri: 0.117 per 1,000 people
= 24 Wisconsin: 0.117 per 1,000 people
# 27 Mississippi: 0.115 per 1,000 people
# 28 Alabama: 0.114 per 1,000 people
# 29 South Carolina: 0.112 per 1,000 people
# 30 Delaware: 0.111 per 1,000 people
# 31 North Carolina: 0.11 per 1,000 people
# 32 Pennsylvania: 0.108 per 1,000 people
= 33 Georgia: 0.107 per 1,000 people
= 33 Virginia: 0.107 per 1,000 people
# 35 Maine: 0.104 per 1,000 people
= 36 Hawaii: 0.103 per 1,000 people
= 36 Texas: 0.103 per 1,000 people
= 38 Louisiana: 0.102 per 1,000 people
= 38 Michigan: 0.102 per 1,000 people
# 40 Nebraska: 0.1 per 1,000 people
# 41 Minnesota: 0.097 per 1,000 people
= 42 Ohio: 0.094 per 1,000 people
= 42 California: 0.094 per 1,000 people
# 44 Maryland: 0.088 per 1,000 people
# 45 Illinois: 0.079 per 1,000 people
# 46 Rhode Island: 0.078 per 1,000 people
# 47 Connecticut: 0.077 per 1,000 people
# 48 Massachusetts: 0.068 per 1,000 people
# 49 New Jersey: 0.067 per 1,000 people
# 50 District of Columbia: 0.065 per 1,000 people
# 51 New York: 0.061 per 1,000 people
Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people

State Expenditures per Capita on Mental Health: Perhaps states that spend tax money on mental health care might give their citizens more reason to live and their children a better shot at survival? Why, yes, indeed--the state can support the welfare of its citizens! And states that are reluctant to spend on mental health care? Oops, looks like that corresponds to firearm death/suicide/child mortality/poverty rates.

# 1 District of Columbia: $398.00
# 2 New York: $176.00
# 3 Hawaii: $175.00
# 4 Pennsylvania: $152.00
# 5 Vermont: $130.00
# 6 Connecticut: $129.00
# 7 Maryland: $127.00
# 8 Montana: $124.00
# 9 New Hampshire: $112.00
= 10 Massachusetts: $107.00
= 10 Maine: $107.00
# 12 Minnesota: $105.00
# 13 Oregon: $97.00
# 14 Delaware: $93.00
# 15 California: $92.00
= 16 New Jersey: $90.00
= 16 Michigan: $90.00
# 18 Arizona: $89.00
= 19 Washington: $88.00
= 19 Rhode Island: $88.00
# 21 Mississippi: $87.00
# 22 Alaska: $81.00
# 23 North Dakota: $79.00
# 24 North Carolina: $76.00
# 25 South Carolina: $74.00
# 26 Iowa: $73.00
# 27 Wisconsin: $72.00
# 28 Tennessee: $69.00
= 29 Virginia: $65.00
= 29 Indiana: $65.00
= 31 Colorado: $64.00
= 31 Illinois: $64.00
= 33 Ohio: $61.00
= 33 South Dakota: $61.00
= 33 Wyoming: $61.00
= 36 Kansas: $60.00
= 36 Missouri: $60.00
= 38 Alabama: $57.00
= 38 Nevada: $57.00
# 40 Nebraska: $51.00
# 41 Kentucky: $49.00
= 42 Idaho: $46.00
= 42 Georgia: $46.00
# 44 Louisiana: $45.00
# 45 Oklahoma: $39.00
# 46 Texas: $38.00
# 47 Florida: $35.00
= 48 Utah: $33.00
= 48 New Mexico: $33.00
# 50 Arkansas: $28.00
# 51 West Virginia: $26.00
Weighted average: $84.78

So, it appears that states with weak government/low tax burden are more dangerous, more poverty stricken, less educated, and more depressed than states with relatively higher taxes and stronger government. In other words, conservative government policies mean more people die, more people are poor, more people are stupid, more people cannot save for retirement, and more people live in mobile homes.

So if you imagine that Republicans have any idea how to solve the problems they worked so hard to create, you are living in a fantasy world. Without effective, responsible government protecting the public interest and a fair tax policy that supports it, America will continue its inglorious decline into poverty, stupidity, violence, and desperation.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:37 pm 
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Unlike yourself, I remember 4 short years ago when all those Republicans lost their jobs due to voters being angry about the GOP's horrible economics among other things. Those policies have not changed.

I'd like to say voters remember that too, but the cynic in me is not so sure, especially as all they hear is mostly made up crap about how everything is Obama's fault.


The perfect storm that caused the economic crisis was caused by 20 years of policies by both parties, and voters are smart enough to realize that. You can continue to blame it on Bush, because you are a democrat, but it isn't the case. Obama's policies and actions have prolonged the economic downturn, and so he deserves partial blame as well.


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Obama's policies and actions have prolonged the economic downturn, and so he deserves partial blame as well.


Really? How so? Not looking for opinions here, I'm seriously interested in what policies have actually extended the downturn.

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(whole bunch of stuff)

It almost makes one question whether the people who support such policies are victims of consistently bad information. Almost.

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The perfect storm that caused the economic crisis was caused by 20 years of policies by both parties,

I don't disagree that there was Democrat collusion and never have, nor do I ignore that many are part of the symptoms of the problem. It pissed me off when Clinton signed NAFTA (which everyone forgets was crafted by the GOP, btw) and did other things in an attempt to reduce partisan bickering and to compromise and how was he thanked? With endless expensive investigations mostly on nothing. It pisses me off that the Democrats have not stood up better for campaign finance reform, although once again they have better records on it than the GOP does. But looking at things like the Citizens United SCOTUS vote shows rather explicitly that despite being part of the symptom of the problem (corruption by Industry writing their own legislation and weak regulations) one party is directly contributing more to the problem.

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...and voters are smart enough to realize that.

It's not a question of smart, so quit trying to frame the discussion as me saying people are not smart. Being fooled by a barrage of pro-corporate astroturf propaganda and think tank BS is not the same thing as being stupid. Smart people fall for bullshit all the time, especially if that's all they hear. For instance, you seem like a fairly intelligent chap....

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You can continue to blame it on Bush, because you are a democrat, but it isn't the case. Obama's policies and actions have prolonged the economic downturn, and so he deserves partial blame as well.

I don't blame it just on Bush, and frankly I was never a Democrat until 2008 because the idea of President Palin scared the holy fuck out of me, and President McCain wasn't a lot better. I also blame it on Newt (and how did that last contract work out btw?) and thirty plus years of evidence that Reaganomics don't work, that despite promises and a better marketing machine, Republicans simply have an AWFUL record of balancing the budget, or of reducing spending in any measurable way (in fact they've tended to grow it). I am not a party loyalist but 2000 taught me that sometimes the worse of two evils can be really, really bad, like if I had to choose between eating a mouse turd and a cat turd, I'd choose the mouse over the GOP any day.

As much as I don't like Boehner's promises, I also recognize they are nothing but a cheap attempt to fool people like you into carrying their water. These guys show up in a hardware store with their sleeves rolled up (BWAHAHAH!) and pull out this document which not only threatens to rescind health care* but also to extend unfunded tax cuts, and they don't even say explicitly how they would chop spending because they know they can't without alienating all those old people they've been riling up by taking away their SS and Medicare or gutting the military. It's not even clever smoke and mirrors and it's the same crap they've been peddling for decades. In short, all of the people complaining about the deficit will go and vote for people who will make it worse. All of the people clamoring about how no one listened to the will of the people are suddenly silent about the news that most people wanted STRONGER health care reform.*

*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_poll

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HAHA.

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