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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:06 pm 
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Yes, a miracle. And a damn shame, depending on how you look at it. I wish more places operated like that. However, in Columbus, it's an anomaly. I hate when people make a point using an anomaly.
Yeah, most bands show up right before they play and whatnot. My band is ALWAYS there before the sound guy... and we listen to the other bands. We're not there earlier so I can make a point in stupid arguments. We're early because I've learned that when something goes wrong, if you're there to stick up for yourself, you're less likely to be the one who gets screwed. It's the band who shows up ten minutes before they play that gets it. But even then, you're looking at about an hour to load in AND set up, and hour to play, then an hour to tear down and put shit back in the car. Maybe that's just us though. The sound system is stationary as well. It's not like the guy has to carry it all home with him.
There are places that charge $150 on a weekend. I can think of a few actually. And that math is assume you brought in 60 people for yourself. Maybe 10% of local bands here can do that. For the bands that bring 20-30, forget about it. They're lucky to split $100 at the end of the night.
I personally could count on one hand the number of times the sound guy beat us to the venue, and I know how long it really takes to tear down at the rehearsal space, load it in a car/trailer, unload it, set it up, use, tear it down, load it back in, and take it home. Not even to mention, flier-ing or otherwise promoting.
With few exceptions, bands at the lower level almost always get the shit end of the stick.

Maybe live sound should get a percentage? Would the soundguy population dry up here? Or would they just not work for crappy bands with no draw then? Should local venues up themselves up to allowing bands to bring their own soundguy? I still haven't heard anyone's thoughts on that.


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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:29 pm 
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Maybe live sound should get a percentage? Would the soundguy population dry up here? Or would they just not work for crappy bands with no draw then? Should local venues up themselves up to allowing bands to bring their own soundguy? I still haven't heard anyone's thoughts on that.


are you fucking kidding?
a % for sound?
they have no say in the booking nor are they expected to draw people in.

and you are more than welcome ANYWHERE to bring your own person (we often do) -- but you will still be dealing with production costs.
as there are, i am assuming, other bands on the bill.

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There are places that charge $150 on a weekend. I can think of a few actually.

name names.

ultimately what this comes down to is not asking enough questions up front.
when you book you should ask ALL of those sort of questions.
y'know -- most bars if you work as the promoter will pay you a % of bar sales...
BUT... not if YOU DONT ASK!

and carabar doesn't HAVE TO BE the anomaly...
there are many other bars across the us of a that work the same way...

you can take care of business and not be a dick.
its easy.
just don't be a dick.


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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:49 pm 
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Yes, a miracle. And a damn shame, depending on how you look at it. I wish more places operated like that. However, in Columbus, it's an anomaly. I hate when people make a point using an anomaly.
Yeah, most bands show up right before they play and whatnot. My band is ALWAYS there before the sound guy... and we listen to the other bands. We're not there earlier so I can make a point in stupid arguments. We're early because I've learned that when something goes wrong, if you're there to stick up for yourself, you're less likely to be the one who gets screwed. It's the band who shows up ten minutes before they play that gets it. But even then, you're looking at about an hour to load in AND set up, and hour to play, then an hour to tear down and put shit back in the car. Maybe that's just us though. The sound system is stationary as well. It's not like the guy has to carry it all home with him.
There are places that charge $150 on a weekend. I can think of a few actually. And that math is assume you brought in 60 people for yourself. Maybe 10% of local bands here can do that. For the bands that bring 20-30, forget about it. They're lucky to split $100 at the end of the night.
I personally could count on one hand the number of times the sound guy beat us to the venue, and I know how long it really takes to tear down at the rehearsal space, load it in a car/trailer, unload it, set it up, use, tear it down, load it back in, and take it home. Not even to mention, flier-ing or otherwise promoting.
With few exceptions, bands at the lower level almost always get the shit end of the stick.

Maybe live sound should get a percentage? Would the soundguy population dry up here? Or would they just not work for crappy bands with no draw then? Should local venues up themselves up to allowing bands to bring their own soundguy? I still haven't heard anyone's thoughts on that.



Sounds like maybe the music biz isn't working out so hot. T'aint very lucrative, mate.

Maybe you should quit and try:


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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:40 pm 
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Lackluster wrote:
Yes, a miracle. And a damn shame, depending on how you look at it. I wish more places operated like that. However, in Columbus, it's an anomaly. I hate when people make a point using an anomaly.
Yeah, most bands show up right before they play and whatnot. My band is ALWAYS there before the sound guy... and we listen to the other bands. We're not there earlier so I can make a point in stupid arguments. We're early because I've learned that when something goes wrong, if you're there to stick up for yourself, you're less likely to be the one who gets screwed. It's the band who shows up ten minutes before they play that gets it. But even then, you're looking at about an hour to load in AND set up, and hour to play, then an hour to tear down and put shit back in the car. Maybe that's just us though. The sound system is stationary as well. It's not like the guy has to carry it all home with him.
There are places that charge $150 on a weekend. I can think of a few actually. And that math is assume you brought in 60 people for yourself. Maybe 10% of local bands here can do that. For the bands that bring 20-30, forget about it. They're lucky to split $100 at the end of the night.
I personally could count on one hand the number of times the sound guy beat us to the venue, and I know how long it really takes to tear down at the rehearsal space, load it in a car/trailer, unload it, set it up, use, tear it down, load it back in, and take it home. Not even to mention, flier-ing or otherwise promoting.
With few exceptions, bands at the lower level almost always get the shit end of the stick.

Maybe live sound should get a percentage? Would the soundguy population dry up here? Or would they just not work for crappy bands with no draw then? Should local venues up themselves up to allowing bands to bring their own soundguy? I still haven't heard anyone's thoughts on that.


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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:53 pm 
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Hey cookie, how can I be this year's Frinship Farmer of the year, this year? It would look good in my resume, providing I don't become banned.

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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:34 pm 
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quit playing places that suck. There a quite a few out there that don't. Look around. Don't be afraid to say goodbye to High St.

And yes, shut the fuck up.


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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:46 pm 
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dave Capaldarino wrote:
Lackluster wrote:
Yes, a miracle. And a damn shame, depending on how you look at it. I wish more places operated like that. However, in Columbus, it's an anomaly. I hate when people make a point using an anomaly.
Yeah, most bands show up right before they play and whatnot. My band is ALWAYS there before the sound guy... and we listen to the other bands. We're not there earlier so I can make a point in stupid arguments. We're early because I've learned that when something goes wrong, if you're there to stick up for yourself, you're less likely to be the one who gets screwed. It's the band who shows up ten minutes before they play that gets it. But even then, you're looking at about an hour to load in AND set up, and hour to play, then an hour to tear down and put shit back in the car. Maybe that's just us though. The sound system is stationary as well. It's not like the guy has to carry it all home with him.
There are places that charge $150 on a weekend. I can think of a few actually. And that math is assume you brought in 60 people for yourself. Maybe 10% of local bands here can do that. For the bands that bring 20-30, forget about it. They're lucky to split $100 at the end of the night.
I personally could count on one hand the number of times the sound guy beat us to the venue, and I know how long it really takes to tear down at the rehearsal space, load it in a car/trailer, unload it, set it up, use, tear it down, load it back in, and take it home. Not even to mention, flier-ing or otherwise promoting.
With few exceptions, bands at the lower level almost always get the shit end of the stick.

Maybe live sound should get a percentage? Would the soundguy population dry up here? Or would they just not work for crappy bands with no draw then? Should local venues up themselves up to allowing bands to bring their own soundguy? I still haven't heard anyone's thoughts on that.



Sounds like maybe the music biz isn't working out so hot. T'aint very lucrative, mate.

Maybe you should quit and try:




I was going to say the same thing. :boohoo:

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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:44 pm 
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Bo Davis wrote:
Lackluster wrote:
He tells me he only has two DI's... then magically, I notice 5 on the stage. I tell him, he doesn't care. He says it's fine. None of them get plugged in, until we bother him some more. Turns out only 2 of the DI's worked. Fortunately our set got cut short, so we scrapped a song that needed the other DI. We've taken to using in-ear monitors as well... since stage sound almost always blows. I wasn't about to ask him to run a monitor mix on stage for that.


I feel like you're asking way to much for a local band that plays bars that also happen to have live music. If you were a touring band that played music venues then I could see why you would expect these things to be in order. But seriously, just be happy there's a p.a. you can plug a mic into when you get there, I've played many many shows without one. Be self sufficient and bring EVERYTHING you need. Seriously, It's way easier if you don't have to rely on anybody else. Also, most sound dudes use what the bar provides them with so maybe take it up with the bar and not the sound guy.

p.s. I am not a sound guy.


That's the best thing anyone's said on here. I don't know how I missed it. You're right. I care so much about how we do things, I expect everyone takes the same pride in their work. It's fairly aggravating when someone just doesn't give a fuck, and it interferes with how you present yourself... but, I guess that's just why you don't play places like that twice. I pretty much knew that, I just wondered if I was the only one who dealt with it, since you never hear about it. Or if other people have some magical way of dealing with it. The long answer, apparently, is no.


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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:51 am 
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Lackluster wrote:
That's the best thing anyone's said on here. I don't know how I missed it. You're right. I care so much about how we do things, I expect everyone takes the same pride in their work. It's fairly aggravating when someone just doesn't give a fuck, and it interferes with how you present yourself... but, I guess that's just why you don't play places like that twice. I pretty much knew that, I just wondered if I was the only one who dealt with it, since you never hear about it. Or if other people have some magical way of dealing with it. The long answer, apparently, is no.


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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:52 am 
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Lackluster wrote:
That's the best thing anyone's said on here. I don't know how I missed it. You're right. I care so much about how we do things, I expect everyone takes the same pride in their work. It's fairly aggravating when someone just doesn't give a fuck, and it interferes with how you present yourself... but, I guess that's just why you don't play places like that twice. I pretty much knew that, I just wondered if I was the only one who dealt with it, since you never hear about it. Or if other people have some magical way of dealing with it. The long answer, apparently, is no.



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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:38 pm 
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I'm gonna bet that if there was a club that paid the sound from a percentage of what the band brought through the door, the quality of sound and attention to your mix will be directly related to how many people you bring in.

That situation is bad for everyone.

Live sound should always get paid. Pay directly impacts the quality of employee in most cases.


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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:39 pm 
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I want a refund for this thread.

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 Post subject: Re: should live sound always get paid?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:15 am 
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unpossibles wrote:
I want a refund for this thread.


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