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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:44 pm 
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save the "we don't care about money" schtick. i've been on both ends of the money exchange at the end of the night: every band cares about money, even if they don't make a big deal about it. it's a necessary evil of doing this either as a hobby or profession. gas costs money. records cost money. unless you have a trust fund or a really good "real" job, the state of your band fund is something that you're acutely aware of.

as much as you want to make me sound like a simpleton with your "clean sheet of paper" dig, i actually agree with you about the make-up of crowds form town to town. i just had a very similar experience in chicago just this past weekend. we have great fans and friends here in columbus, but that chicago crowd, composed primarily of people we wouldn't know from adam, were really into our show. the primary difference between my experience and yours is that we got $300 and you got $50.

here's where my powers of inference prove to be perhaps better than yours:

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Shoegaze-themed night. Never played in Chicago before. It was the largest and most attentive crowd we've played to. No shows in Columbus have compared (which I realize could be because we haven't figured out how to promote for this city yet).


you answered your own question, possibly without even realizing it. how do you promote your shows? try putting together an all-shoegaze show here in columbus. get 1 or 2 notable shoegaze bands to play with you and promote the show as a shoegaze-ho-hum-vaganza. that'll probably work better than expecting people to come see some band called "love culture" they've never heard of.

p.s.: was that show at the mutiny? the place with the huge urinal?

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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:08 pm 
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Band A charges $600 to play. Band B charges $350 plus $.125 for each ticket.
-Write a linear equation for the cost of each band
-Graph each equation and find the number of tickets for which the cost of the two bands would be equal.

Band B needs to sell 2000 tickets for the cost to be equal to band A. Band C and Band D didn't go see them, because they couldn't afford the tickets. They went to a bar and drank all night, anyway, though, because there wasn't a cover charge at Bar B.

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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:18 pm 
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save the "we don't care about money" schtick. i've been on both ends of the money exchange at the end of the night: every band cares about money, even if they don't make a big deal about it. it's a necessary evil of doing this either as a hobby or profession. gas costs money. records cost money. unless you have a trust fund or a really good "real" job, the state of your band fund is something that you're acutely aware of.



I will totally admit that I care about the money. Actually earning a living in the music industry is my goal. I've done pretty well at it for most of my adult life. It's great when you don't have to have that crappy day job. I've had a few and I'll have a few more before I'm done... But yeah, I'm serious about what I do and I care about the money. I know I'll never be the bread winner in my house, but I know most of the time I'm pretty happy. Caring about the money has done pretty well for me so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:52 pm 
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justin wrote:
save the "we don't care about money" schtick. i've been on both ends of the money exchange at the end of the night: every band cares about money, even if they don't make a big deal about it. it's a necessary evil of doing this either as a hobby or profession. gas costs money. records cost money. unless you have a trust fund or a really good "real" job, the state of your band fund is something that you're acutely aware of.

as much as you want to make me sound like a simpleton with your "clean sheet of paper" dig, i actually agree with you about the make-up of crowds form town to town. i just had a very similar experience in chicago just this past weekend. we have great fans and friends here in columbus, but that chicago crowd, composed primarily of people we wouldn't know from adam, were really into our show. the primary difference between my experience and yours is that we got $300 and you got $50.

here's where my powers of inference prove to be perhaps better than yours:

Tristannus wrote:
Shoegaze-themed night. Never played in Chicago before. It was the largest and most attentive crowd we've played to. No shows in Columbus have compared (which I realize could be because we haven't figured out how to promote for this city yet).


you answered your own question, possibly without even realizing it. how do you promote your shows? try putting together an all-shoegaze show here in columbus. get 1 or 2 notable shoegaze bands to play with you and promote the show as a shoegaze-ho-hum-vaganza. that'll probably work better than expecting people to come see some band called "love culture" they've never heard of.

p.s.: was that show at the mutiny? the place with the huge urinal?



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you answered your own question, possibly without even realizing it.


Haha....how long did the smile stay on your face when you whipped that one out?

And, no not everyone cares about the money. Of course I'd like to make a living by being in a band, but that's not even close to happening. I'm pretty set in working my 35 hours, school and spending all my remaining time trying to be musically successful. When the chance to make real money comes I'll take it and then I'll concern myself with how much money the band is bringing in.

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try putting together an all-shoegaze show here in columbus. get 1 or 2 notable shoegaze bands to play with you and promote the show as a shoegaze-ho-hum-vaganza


Hm, I see by the "ho-hum" that you don't even think your own idea is very plausible. If you're talking about like a novelty night where bands cover Swervedriver or something that might work. Otherwise people will do what they normally do which is...nothing. Well, maybe a snarky comment or two but that's it.

Yeah our Chicago show was at the Mutiny. And you know, can you believe it, I never actually used their bathroom. Everyone was telling me about the toilet and I just forgot to check it out. Major fail on my part I know.

Oh yeah, we had an idea for a show that we fielded to some people a little while ago - Victorian/gothic kind of masquerade show. Everyone dresses up and looks real cool.....we even bought a bunch of our own stage lights.

Obviously it didn't happen....and I kind of cringe now just thinking about most people in this city's response to something like that. Not going to happen here. You at least have to admit it's tricky promoting here and harder than most big cities to get people out.

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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:24 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:24 am 
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Wait, what was the last local show you went to?



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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:38 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:22 pm 
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Merkin Muffley wrote:
i know the secret

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29299&p=250949#p250949
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HOW I MADE IT IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS

• GO TO PRIVATE ART SCHOOL

• THROW HOUSE SHOWS

PARTY WITH BANDS THAT COME THROUGH TOWN

• FUCK GIRLS OUTSIDE OF THE SCENE. {U CAN DO WHATEVER U WANT TO THEM AND NO ONE WILL EVER FIND OUT, PLUS U GET TO FUCK GIRLS WITH BLONDE HAIR & BLUE EYES NOT GIRLS WITH RATTY BLACK HAIR & CRAPPY THRIFT STORE CLOTHES}

• PUT OUT A HIT SINGLE

• PLAY SHOWS IN IMPORTANT CITIES

• CONVINCE YOUR RECORD LABEL TO START A LIMITED EDITION SINGLES CLUB & PUT OUT ANOTHER {LIMITED EDITION} HIT SINGLE


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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:01 pm 
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justin wrote:
try putting together an all-shoegaze show here in columbus. get 1 or 2 notable shoegaze bands to play with you and promote the show as a shoegaze-ho-hum-vaganza


Hm, I see by the "ho-hum" that you don't even think your own idea is very plausible.


not exactly. i just don't think music that's so intentionally morose and bromidic would lend itself to exaggerated superlatives.

also, i'm not really sure why you're so dismissive of a simple idea that could help you. if you haven't tried it, how can you be sure it won't work? or is this just a "nobody in this cowtown understands my art" kind of thing. maybe we should merge this with the "columbus is awesome" thread?

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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:58 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:00 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:38 pm 
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justin wrote:
Tristannus wrote:
justin wrote:
try putting together an all-shoegaze show here in columbus. get 1 or 2 notable shoegaze bands to play with you and promote the show as a shoegaze-ho-hum-vaganza


Hm, I see by the "ho-hum" that you don't even think your own idea is very plausible.


not exactly. i just don't think music that's so intentionally morose and bromidic would lend itself to exaggerated superlatives

also, i'm not really sure why you're so dismissive of a simple idea that could help you. if you haven't tried it, how can you be sure it won't work? or is this just a "nobody in this cowtown understands my art" kind of thing. maybe we should merge this with the "columbus is awesome" thread?


Oh, please don't get me wrong. Nobody understands anybody's "art." Cowtown or not (and I'm not one of the people that has an entirely negative view of this city). I think this:
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so intentionally morose and bromidic would lend itself to exaggerated superlatives
is a much more negative and intentionally simplistic attitude than anything I feel at the current time.

I think mainly, it takes finding people who have ideas similar to your own....even when they're not readily apparent at first. Some cities...those people bump into you sooner rather than later. Others...much later.

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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:44 pm 
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After some badgering after the show, the owner begrudgingly said he'd give some money to the out-of-town band (re: us). He gave us $45. None of the other bands got dick.



see, this seems like it is fodder for a corollary conversation that's gone down before, which is along the lines of 'don't wait until after you've played to figure out what the deal is'.

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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:20 pm 
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tiger yang wrote:
After some badgering after the show, the owner begrudgingly said he'd give some money to the out-of-town band (re: us). He gave us $45. None of the other bands got dick.



see, this seems like it is fodder for a corollary conversation that's gone down before, which is along the lines of 'don't wait until after you've played to figure out what the deal is'. :naughty: :naughty:
Maybe he sent them the deal in a Myspace message. I'd submit that this is the key:
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A Chicago club with a shady owner
Whether or not it's a free show, you usually end up having to rely on someone else to dole out the money, and it's usually this guy: :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Cover Fire
PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:21 pm 
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ALL U BANDZZZ NOT MAKIN ANY M :oops: NEY PLAYIN $HOWZZZ,
WHY DONT U PRESS UP $OME RECORD$ :shock: OR CDRZZZ :shock: OR $WEATPANT$ :shock: TO $ELL AKA MERCHANDIZE :oops: :?: :wall: :?: :wall: :?:
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when we play the big $$$ college pussy shows, they tell us what they r going to pay us ahead of time.
U DON'T A$K :wall: :wall: :wall:

alot of u arent ready 4 the GLITZ and GLAMOUR of CAFE BOURBON $T :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:
stick to rhumba room or the legion :cry: :cry: :cry
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:54 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:57 pm 
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That's some sweet-ass merch, Ramirez.

We make so much money off record sales in Italy that we often forget to ask about money at the end of the night. No one let Italy know that we suck, yet.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:42 am 
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Band A charges $600 to play. Band B charges $350 plus $.125 for each ticket.
-Write a linear equation for the cost of each band
-Graph each equation and find the number of tickets for which the cost of the two bands would be equal.

Band B needs to sell 2000 tickets for the cost to be equal to band A. Band C and Band D didn't go see them, because they couldn't afford the tickets. They went to a bar and drank all night, anyway, though, because there wasn't a cover charge at Bar B.



Um, incorrect sir. Are you really charging 12.5 cents to get into a show? If so, I'd like exact change please. and people can't afford 12.5 cents? At $1.25 it becomes a bit more reasonable. You bring in 200 people and you've earned that money from the bar. How many bands in town charge upwards of $300 and have no draw whatsoever? Plenty.


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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:08 pm 
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I think there's an important thing being dismissed here (maybe - I admit I started skimming a lot of this shit). One nice thing about no cover is that people are more likely to check out a band they have not heard yet. Sure, I'll pay $5+ to see a band I love, but will I pay $5 to see a band I've never heard of? Doubt it. I do sometimes, but most people don't. And I have to say, I'm seen some killer bands/musicians on a whim walking into some free show, and usually ended up buying a disc instead, therefore giving them more than the door cover would have been.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:10 pm 
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Band A charges $600 to play. Band B charges $350 plus $.125 for each ticket.
-Write a linear equation for the cost of each band
-Graph each equation and find the number of tickets for which the cost of the two bands would be equal.

Band B needs to sell 2000 tickets for the cost to be equal to band A. Band C and Band D didn't go see them, because they couldn't afford the tickets. They went to a bar and drank all night, anyway, though, because there wasn't a cover charge at Bar B.



Um, incorrect sir. Are you really charging 12.5 cents to get into a show? If so, I'd like exact change please. and people can't afford 12.5 cents? At $1.25 it becomes a bit more reasonable. You bring in 200 people and you've earned that money from the bar. How many bands in town charge upwards of $300 and have no draw whatsoever? Plenty.

But if Band A leaves Chicago at 4am with $50 and 3 grams of coke traveling south at 80mph, and Band B leaves Columbus at 3 am with $50 in pills and some bootleg whiskey traveling west at 90mph, at what point do I stop caring if they get their hearts ritualistically cut out?

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:14 pm 
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[/quote]
But if Band A leaves Chicago at 4am with $50 and 3 grams of coke traveling south at 80mph, and Band B leaves Columbus at 3 am with $50 in pills and some bootleg whiskey traveling west at 90mph, at what point do I stop caring if they get their hearts ritualistically cut out?[/quote]

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:25 pm 
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I readily admit that we don't care about money, but, if that's your thing, whatever. You have your own priorties. Do what you want. If you want fame, though, chances are you're just a dumba$$.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:43 pm 
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agreed. i don't give a $hit about the ca$h either... unle$$ i'm travelling pretty far.
thi$ i$n't my job $o i'd ju$t rather people come out and rock along. party it up like rock $tar$.
$ound like gene $immon$.. "if you don't care about getting paid you're lieing"..

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:01 pm 
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