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Author:  robertduffy [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:30 pm ]
Post subject:  iTunes Match

I am about 48 hours into sending songs but I think it's gonna be solid as hell. I had 24000 songs in my iTunes library and it recognized 21000 of them.. The 3,000 are slowly being uploaded, but I have been able to use it on my work computer and my iPhone. Worth the investment.

More details after it's all imported.

Making me rethink my $10 Spotify montly to just go to $5..

Author:  Joelseph [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

Got mine uploading right now, too. Hoping it's worth it...

Author:  groundrules [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

while I am somewhat intrigued by the concept, the thought of being any more tied to iTunes is a notion worse than death by fire ants.

let me just be clear about this: fuck iTunes.

Author:  Intercontinental C's [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

in all earnestness, whats your beef?

Author:  kang [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

anyone else having a problem with itunes crashing after matching everything? i have most of my library uploaded/matched, but for some reason, it keeps crashing. pretty irritating.

Author:  Jawbreaker [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:26 pm ]
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kang wrote:
anyone else having a problem with itunes crashing after matching everything? i have most of my library uploaded/matched, but for some reason, it keeps crashing. pretty irritating.


There's an iTunes update, might want to check into that.

The signup process seems really half-ass to me. Upload management, better user feedback, and meaningful/prominent error messages might have been nice.

Author:  Joelseph [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

Mine hasn't crashed, but it disappeared for a couple of days with no explanation and no option to turn it on. But now it's magically back on again. Kinda glitchy.

Author:  cruise_elroy [ Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

Jawbreaker wrote:
meaningful error messages


not rilly apple's forte

Author:  Spliney [ Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

I mathed; it took three days to upload everything. I like the concept but I'm not too hip on the inability to stream the tunes to an iPhone.

Author:  robertduffy [ Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

Spliney wrote:
I mathed; it took three days to upload everything. I like the concept but I'm not too hip on the inability to stream the tunes to an iPhone.


Did you connect it? I have everything from my computer's catalog now on my iPhone.....

Author:  Joelseph [ Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:15 am ]
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I have it all on my phone, too. And my wife has the whole library on her phone now, too, which is a plus. If you use the same itunes account, you can have the entire library on any apple device.

I canceled spotify premium. I use Match more b/c I have a hard enough time just keeping up with the stuff that I actually own.

Author:  Spliney [ Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

I had it connected with my phone but I realized that it was downloading the songs to the phone as it played and not just streaming so I turned it off; I'm not looking to fill up the phone.

Author:  robertduffy [ Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:43 pm ]
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Spliney wrote:
I had it connected with my phone but I realized that it was downloading the songs to the phone as it played and not just streaming so I turned it off; I'm not looking to fill up the phone.


from what i've read, if space becomes an issue on the phone it deletes some of the files to make room automatically..

Author:  groundrules [ Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

man, i love it when software 'downloads automatically' and 'deletes automatically'. Thanks, iTunes! you know what's best for me.

Author:  robertduffy [ Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:11 pm ]
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groundrules wrote:
man, i love it when software 'downloads automatically' and 'deletes automatically'. Thanks, iTunes! you know what's best for me.


its a cache just like a webpage, not software. i know you love to be the apple foil but in this instance you got it wrong

:naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

Author:  groundrules [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

robertduffy wrote:
groundrules wrote:
man, i love it when software 'downloads automatically' and 'deletes automatically'. Thanks, iTunes! you know what's best for me.


its a cache just like a webpage, not software. i know you love to be the apple foil but in this instance you got it wrong

:naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:


web nerd hair splitting. for the common man, it's either on the phone or it's not. so if it's not, you're re-downloading to fill the cache. regardless, the gist is: i would prefer to decide how my storage is handled and what is on my devices and what isn't.

Author:  robertduffy [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

groundrules wrote:
robertduffy wrote:
groundrules wrote:
man, i love it when software 'downloads automatically' and 'deletes automatically'. Thanks, iTunes! you know what's best for me.


its a cache just like a webpage, not software. i know you love to be the apple foil but in this instance you got it wrong

:naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:


web nerd hair splitting. for the common man, it's either on the phone or it's not. so if it's not, you're re-downloading to fill the cache. regardless, the gist is: i would prefer to decide how my storage is handled and what is on my devices and what isn't.


i actually think you are the hair splitter since you don't understand the product. you don't actually hit "download" unless you want to keep it on your phone forever.

i would revise your analogy then to:

you either hit play and it plays or it doesn't, regardless of if it's on the phone or it's not.

Author:  robertduffy [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

clarity, maybe?

Quote:
Downloaded songs are automatically removed to make extra space
When you tap to play a song on your iTunes Match-enabled iOS device, the song gets cached. That way, if you tap to play, say, “Je Suis Rick Springfield” by Jonathan Coulton on your iPhone today, the song won’t need to get downloaded all over again when you tap to play it again tomorrow. Similarly, you can tap to download complete playlists or albums on your iOS device; maybe you’d do so while on Wi-Fi so that you could hear all of Coulton’s latest album later during your commute home, without gobbling up your data plan.

Of course, one of the benefits of iTunes Match is that you can free up extra space on your iOS devices by not syncing your entire library. Once you start downloading lots of songs as you play them back, does that advantage vanish? In a word: No. In more words: With iTunes Match enabled, your iOS device will automatically remove some downloaded songs over time. The algorithm is smart—older and least-played tracks are removed first.

Apple hasn’t clarified under precisely which circumstances songs get removed. Perhaps one day we’ll see an option to control how much storage space iTunes Match can use for caching on your device, but no such option exists yet. So while you can manually remove tracks from your iOS device by swiping as if to delete them (which leaves the iCloud-stored track in place, but frees up the few megabytes the song requires), it shouldn't be necessary; your device will take care of eliminating old tracks automatically.

Author:  Joelseph [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

Screw clarity. More staff fighting! :x :x :x :x

Author:  groundrules [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

robertduffy wrote:
clarity, maybe?

Quote:
Downloaded songs are automatically removed to make extra space
When you tap to play a song on your iTunes Match-enabled iOS device, the song gets cached. That way, if you tap to play, say, “Je Suis Rick Springfield” by Jonathan Coulton on your iPhone today, the song won’t need to get downloaded all over again when you tap to play it again tomorrow. Similarly, you can tap to download complete playlists or albums on your iOS device; maybe you’d do so while on Wi-Fi so that you could hear all of Coulton’s latest album later during your commute home, without gobbling up your data plan.

Of course, one of the benefits of iTunes Match is that you can free up extra space on your iOS devices by not syncing your entire library. Once you start downloading lots of songs as you play them back, does that advantage vanish? In a word: No. In more words: With iTunes Match enabled, your iOS device will automatically remove some downloaded songs over time. The algorithm is smart—older and least-played tracks are removed first.

Apple hasn’t clarified under precisely which circumstances songs get removed. Perhaps one day we’ll see an option to control how much storage space iTunes Match can use for caching on your device, but no such option exists yet. So while you can manually remove tracks from your iOS device by swiping as if to delete them (which leaves the iCloud-stored track in place, but frees up the few megabytes the song requires), it shouldn't be necessary; your device will take care of eliminating old tracks automatically.


this is exactly what i'm saying... that older song that the 'smart algorithm' just 'eliminated' was maybe the one i wanted to hear. my general beef is that Apple loves smart algorithms, and employing them implies the attitude that they know what's best for you and your devices. I think that managing content is not that difficult, and i'd prefer to make those decisions myself.

Author:  robertduffy [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

groundrules wrote:
robertduffy wrote:
clarity, maybe?

Quote:
Downloaded songs are automatically removed to make extra space
When you tap to play a song on your iTunes Match-enabled iOS device, the song gets cached. That way, if you tap to play, say, “Je Suis Rick Springfield” by Jonathan Coulton on your iPhone today, the song won’t need to get downloaded all over again when you tap to play it again tomorrow. Similarly, you can tap to download complete playlists or albums on your iOS device; maybe you’d do so while on Wi-Fi so that you could hear all of Coulton’s latest album later during your commute home, without gobbling up your data plan.

Of course, one of the benefits of iTunes Match is that you can free up extra space on your iOS devices by not syncing your entire library. Once you start downloading lots of songs as you play them back, does that advantage vanish? In a word: No. In more words: With iTunes Match enabled, your iOS device will automatically remove some downloaded songs over time. The algorithm is smart—older and least-played tracks are removed first.

Apple hasn’t clarified under precisely which circumstances songs get removed. Perhaps one day we’ll see an option to control how much storage space iTunes Match can use for caching on your device, but no such option exists yet. So while you can manually remove tracks from your iOS device by swiping as if to delete them (which leaves the iCloud-stored track in place, but frees up the few megabytes the song requires), it shouldn't be necessary; your device will take care of eliminating old tracks automatically.


this is exactly what i'm saying... that older song that the 'smart algorithm' just 'eliminated' was maybe the one i wanted to hear. my general beef is that Apple loves smart algorithms, and employing them implies the attitude that they know what's best for you and your devices. I think that managing content is not that difficult, and i'd prefer to make those decisions myself.


but you can just hear it again by going to itunes and clicking on the song!!!!!!! it doesnt "eliminate" it by wiping it out of your library/list of songs/etc.. it just means next time you click it, it's goes back to that first time where you streamed it from the cloud instead of having it on your phone.. and if you want to keep it then you just use the download button instead....

Author:  groundrules [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

robertduffy wrote:
groundrules wrote:
robertduffy wrote:
clarity, maybe?

but you can just hear it again by going to itunes and clicking on the song!!!!!!! it doesnt "eliminate" it by wiping it out of your library/list of songs/etc.. it just means next time you click it, it's goes back to that first time where you streamed it from the cloud instead of having it on your phone.. and if you want to keep it then you just use the download button instead....


I understand that. I recognize that it's not GONE. But if I wanted to stream music to my phone, there's plenty of ways to do that, most of which i'm not all that interested in doing. They built a system where sometimes you're streaming, sometimes you're listening local, and the distribution of content between cloud and drive is up to their algorithm.

Author:  robertduffy [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

groundrules wrote:
I understand that. I recognize that it's not GONE. But if I wanted to stream music to my phone, there's plenty of ways to do that, most of which i'm not all that interested in doing. They built a system where sometimes you're streaming, sometimes you're listening local, and the distribution of content between cloud and drive is up to their algorithm.


and the stuff i want to keep on my phone i hit the download button, and stuff i listen to here and there doesnt stay on my phone forever. sounds like a great thing, i agree.

Author:  robertduffy [ Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

the other thing i'll add is if this is all troublesome and you hate this idea, then don't pay the $30/year for iTunes match and you can still drag and drop songs onto your phone while it's wired up to your computer and never have to worry about it! apple isnt forcing users to do any of this...

this is for someone who wants their gigs and gigs of songs available on their phone at any time........

or use the dropbox app with Notebox and bypass itunes altogether....

Author:  Spliney [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: iTunes Match

For $30 a year the Cloud is worth it to me as a backup for my library but I want this set up to work better. I'm finding it kind of buggy and slow on the iPhone. In addition to taking forever to load there are two things that are driving me nuts. I'd like to be able to find only those songs that have been downloaded without having to go back to utilities to make the switch; and, I'd also like to have the option to manage it manually while connected to a computer instead of waiting for the download. If I just missed an option someone please let me know. I still like the concept.

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