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 Post subject: Recommend Me: Manchester Bands/Books/Info
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:25 am 
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As mentioned in the donewaiting newsletter, I'm obsessing over the Manchester scene lately. We're talking 1978-1992 time frame.

The only point of reference I have is 24 Hour Party People.

Expand my knowledge base.

Obsession Bomb: Activate.

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 Post subject: manchester ....
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:37 am 
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Annoyingly, I was going to recommend you the wonderful Creation Records book, 'My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry For The Prize' by David Cavanagh, but although that covers lots of stuff pre 1992 it only becomes Manchester-centric with the Oasis explosion of the mid nineties.

Still, it's a wonderful book, and a massive url.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... s&n=507846

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:40 am 
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oh, maybe i should also post my newsletter, for those people who don't subscribe:

THE GROWL "Obsession Bomb"
a donewaiting.com situation

I feel an obsession bomb coming on.

It's happened a few times before, and when it happens,
boy is it ugly. Close friends and enemies beware: it's
about to happen again, I know it.

Examples of past obsession bombs: Buying every single
Magnetic Fields release within a week; Buying every
single They Might Be Giants album within 2 weeks;
seeing Star Wars Episode 1 twelve stupid times in the
theatre; seeing Trainspotting 4 times in the theater in one day.

Where will the next obsession bomb drop?

MANCHESTER, UK.

See, last Sunday me and my sweetheart rented 24 Hour
Party People, a film about Tony Wilson and the
Manchester music scene (which includes Joy Division,
Happy Mondays, New Order, etc.).

While I'm not going to obsess over the music itself, I
do think I'm going to obsess over the city, over
Factory Records, the Hacienda, over Tony Wilson. It's too late.
Don't try and stop me. The bomb has been loaded.

Right now, my world of reference is just this film. If
I were to believe the film, and for right now I will,
Tony Wilson was in the center of this entire scene,
putting together record label collectives, promoting
indie music in mainstream spaces. Making things
happen.

I want to know every single bit of information about
Wilson and this scene. I want to memorize timelines,
shout out lyrics to songs I dont even like with all my
heart, and maybe, just maybe, buy a Smiths album.

Recommendations on what I should read or what I should
listen to should be replied to this e-mail.

Fuel my obsession bomb, everyone, because you can't
turn it around.

Robert Duffy

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 Post subject: re : factory
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:42 am 
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And now i'm going to follow up with a link from amazon.co.uk :)

There are a shitload of books about Factory / Joy Division / New Order, and I've not read any of them. BUT, I do remember that the biog of Ian Curtis by his wife Deborah Curtis was, at the time, highly acclaimed, so here's a link to that.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 95-8080612

And the Johnny Rogan book about Morrissey & Marr was rather controversial at the time, Moz wishing the author dead in a car crash if I remember correctly.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 95-8080612

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You saw Episode 1 four times in the cinema ???????

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twelve! i'm speechless.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:48 am 
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superunison wrote:
twelve! i'm speechless.


at this point in my life, i'm willing to admit that it was a bad movie.

but during that period, star wars was there when no one else was.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:02 pm 
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Band wise ...

The Joy Division box set probably has more than you need to know about that band.

Long ago I went on about the New Order box set, but although that has some highlights, it's very up and down. Substance is probably far better as a New Order primer or Low-life is a wonderful album. I'd never seen them live before, but I got to see them a couple of times last year, and they made me feel like I was 17 again. Which doesn't happen very often.

I'm not sure if there is a Stone Roses Greatest Hits, but even if there was, I didn't like their second album, so I'd point you towards the eponymous debut, particularly if you get a version with 'Fools Gold' on it.

The Fall have released several million albums. I've no idea where you should start, and although I was into the Happy Mondays at the time, I've probably long since dumped those CDs onto my sister.

NOTE : Hunting around ebay with keywords like Manchester & New Order may well turn up a multitude of compilations from the early nineties. If you find some, post track listings here, and we can dissect it for you :)

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Update:

Someone at work lent me Happy Mondays "Double Easy: The US Singles."

I think I don't like the Happy Mondays.

But it's good to listen to them.

I don't think I'm going to fall in love with the music more than I'm falling in love with the scene that was created.

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robertduffy wrote:
superunison wrote:
twelve! i'm speechless.

but during that period, star wars was there when no one else was.


It's always been there for me. Star Wars and Cider. Star Wars with Cider - paradise.

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It's always been there for me. Star Wars and Cider. Star Wars with Cider - paradise.


Bah. I was hoping you'd join in with the Manchester chat but the mention of Star Wars was always going to be too much for you to ignore :)

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It's always been there for me. Star Wars and Cider. Star Wars with Cider - paradise.


Bah. I was hoping you'd join in with the Manchester chat but the mention of Star Wars was always going to be too much for you to ignore :)


Its like showing a crack addict the Mona Lisa and then waving a crack rock next to it :)

I was about to whine on about Puressence at the mention of Manchester, but Obi Wan appeared in front of the computer.

Oh. That Linx advert is on with the dancing chix. :twisted:

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The Fall was the best band to ever come from Manchester. There are hundreds of releases from Mark E. and company (you could say he's the British Pollard, except that the Fall are still making good music). If you could only buy three releases by the Fall, I would start with:

This Nation's Saving Grace (1985)
Hex Enduction Hour (1980)
Totally Wired: The Rough Trade Anthology (2002)

That's a good start on some absolutely essential listening...

As for the bands in 24 Hour Party People, I would start with:

Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures and Closer albums, New Order's Power, Corruption and Lies and a recently released compilation of A Certain Ratio tracks, Early.

The Happy Mondays stuff is crap, but their part in the movie was hilarious.


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OH.......I completely forgot about the Smiths....that's a whole different subject....in my book they still come third after the Fall and Joy Division.
I know i'll get shit for that.


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OH.......I completely forgot about the Smiths....that's a whole different subject....in my book they still come third after the Fall and Joy Division.
I know i'll get shit for that.


Stone Roses as well? Not one of my favourites, but always scoring high in any chart.

Or check http://www.unitedmanchester.com/music/Top100-1.htm

My mother sent me this, overjoyed that the Hollies made the Top Five :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:15 pm 
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The Stone Roses, either their first eponymous album or the greatest hits.

The Charlatans U.K.'s best album is probably their first, Some Friendly.

The "Madchester" page at Allmusic.com is a decent place to start your search.:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... &sql=C4391

I had a huge Madchester phase a few years ago-- seeing 24 Hr party People sort of broguth it all back. Was never too much into Joy Division, though. Never was that depressed, I guess.


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Update: Based on a recommendation from Stephen Slayer, I bought Buzzcock's "Singles Going Steady."

Me like.

I'll be mining through these suggestions, posting up a list of all the recommendations, etc etc, later this week.

rob

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