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 Post subject: OSU 80% card-carrying commies (??)
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:37 pm 
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Bill could limit open debate at colleges
Lawmaker says profs are pushing agendas
Thursday, January 27, 2005
Kathy Lynn Gray
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH


Legislation that would restrict what university professors could say in their classrooms was introduced yesterday in Ohio.

Judging from reactions in other states where similar bills have been considered, controversy won’t be far behind.

Marion Sen. Larry A. Mumper’s "academic bill of rights for higher education" would prohibit instructors at public or private universities from "persistently" discussing controversial issues in class or from using their classes to push political, ideological, religious or anti-religious views.

Senate Bill 24 also would prohibit professors from discriminating against students based on their beliefs and keep universities from hiring, firing, promoting or giving tenure to instructors based on their beliefs.

Mumper, a Republican, said many professors undermine the values of their students because "80 percent or so of them (professors) are Democrats, liberals or socialists or card-carrying Communists" who attempt to indoctrinate students.

"These are young minds that haven’t had a chance to form their own opinions," Mumper said. "Our colleges and universities are still filled with some of the ’60s and ’70s profs that were the anti-American group. They’ve gotten control of how to give people tenure and so the colleges continue to move in this direction."

Joan McLean, a political-science professor at Ohio Wesleyan University, said Mumper’s legislation is misguided and would have a chilling effect on the free-flowing debate that is a hallmark of democracy.

"This is not the kind of democracy we think we’re spreading when we hear President Bush’s words. What we’re celebrating is our ability to not control information."

Besides, McLean said, who would define what issues could not be discussed?

The language of Mumper’s bill comes from a 2003 booklet by conservative commentator David Horowitz that lays out how students can persuade universities to adopt the "bill of rights." The booklet says it is "dedicated to restoring academic freedom and educational values to America’s institutions of higher learning."

The issue has gone national.

Horowitz created Students for Academic Freedom, a group based in Washington that has chapters on 135 campuses, to promote his views.

On the other side, the American Association of University Professors, which has thousands of members at hundreds of campuses, argues that eliminating controversial issues from courses waters down academic freedoms.

Mumper said he’s been investigating the issue for months and has heard of an Ohio student who said she was discriminated against because she supported Bush for president.

"I think the bill asks that colleges and universities be fair in their approach to their education of students," Mumper said. "They need to have their rights defended and need to be respected by faculty and administrators."

In a Kenyon College publication, President S. Georgia Nugent called Horowitz’s thinking "a severe threat" to academic freedom.

"I see this so-called bill of rights, the platform that he has constructed, as one that would explicitly introduce into college and university appointments a kind of political litmus test," she said.

Mumper said he will "push this all the way" so that it’s approved by either the legislature or by individual universities.

When a similar proposal was considered in the Colorado legislature last year, it was withdrawn after state universities agreed to some of its principles. The issue also has been debated in Indiana and considered in Congress.

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 Post subject: Re: OSU 80% card-carrying commies (??)
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:14 pm 
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This is the most important part of the story:

groundrules wrote:
The language of Mumper’s bill comes from a 2003 booklet by conservative commentator David Horowitz that lays out how students can persuade universities to adopt the "bill of rights." The booklet says it is "dedicated to restoring academic freedom and educational values to America’s institutions of higher learning."

The issue has gone national.

Horowitz created Students for Academic Freedom, a group based in Washington that has chapters on 135 campuses, to promote his views.


No, it isn't the "Fight Back!" David Horowitz of consumer protection fame, it's the former '60s radical turned '80s right-wing (ie - Reagan revolution cash cow, sort of like '90s whore Dick Morris) race-baiter who suckles at the teat of the Scaife, Bradley, et al crowd. Feel free to visit http://www.horowitzwatch.blogspot.com/ for weekly installments on this checkbook radical.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:00 pm 
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FIRE does excellent work defending free speech/thought on campus (fighting "speech codes", etc...) Someone should forward this to them.

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Fabulous. Mark another one down in the "reasons to move out of Ohio when I graduate" column.

'course, that'll also serve to make this red state just a little bit redder. ::sigh::


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Fabulous. Mark another one down in the "reasons to move out of Ohio when I graduate" column.

'course, that'll also serve to make this red state just a little bit redder. ::sigh::


by the time you graduate, you will have been sufficiently subdued and lobotomized by the lack of discourse, at which point your indoctrination into Redness will be complete. You will be happily compliant and non- questioning of your surroundings. You will go to bed every night saying "thank you Mr. President!" as you fall asleep.

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groundrules wrote:
swisschard wrote:
Fabulous. Mark another one down in the "reasons to move out of Ohio when I graduate" column.

'course, that'll also serve to make this red state just a little bit redder. ::sigh::


by the time you graduate, you will have been sufficiently subdued and lobotomized by the lack of discourse, at which point your indoctrination into Redness will be complete. You will be happily compliant and non- questioning of your surroundings. You will go to bed every night saying "thank you Mr. President!" as you fall asleep.


I wear garlic around my neck at all times to prevent this (substitutue "garlic" with "aborted fetus" for grotesque shits and giggles).

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the saddest part of this is that universities have already begun castrating themeselves on their own without this ludicrous "bill of rights". In this political climate, many professors have begun straying from the complex issues that college should be about and becoming more well... benign. one only needs to sit in on a random OSU poli sci or comparative studies class to see that students are not getting into this stuff. Thanks for raising this topic groundrules, its an important one.


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ignorance allows ease of control and training.

The bias against education (or at least against non-state propagandist education) is spreading. This trend has been building for a while - listen to Lush RImbaugh if you do not believe me. Sure, he's an idiot, but he's a popular idiot whose followers (self-proclaimed "dittoheads" ironically) do not question him.

wonder if this also has Heritage Foundation attachments - sure stinks like it does.

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 Post subject: EMAIL YOUR SENATORS TO OPPOSE SENATE BILL 24
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:13 am 
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Go here ...

http://www.senate.state.oh.us/senators/index.html

... to find out who your Senator is and email them directly.

Go here ...

http://www.senate.state.oh.us/committee ... ation.html

... to email all the Senators on the Education committee.

It's quick and easy. DO IT NOW.

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 Post subject: Re: EMAIL YOUR SENATORS TO OPPOSE SENATE BILL 24
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:55 pm 
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NOTE:
To residents of Clintonville and the rest of District 15. Our very own State Senator Ray Miller is one of only 3 Dems (vs. 6 Repubs) that serves ON the Education Committee with this Mumper piece o' work. So he's obviously in a unique position to head off Sen. Bill 24, with proper urging from his constituents (and anyone else in Ohio).

His email:
rmiller@maild.sen.state.oh.us

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 Post subject: Miller is with us
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:33 pm 
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I got this back from Sen. Miller's aide.

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Senator Ray Miller agrees with you and will oppose the bill when it
comes before the full senate.


Hooray!

Now let's get the rest of them on-board.

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 Post subject: Re: Miller is with us
PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:43 pm 
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slay wrote:
I got this back from Sen. Miller's aide.

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Senator Ray Miller agrees with you and will oppose the bill when it
comes before the full senate.


Hooray!

Now let's get the rest of them on-board.


I got the same reply. Incidentally, I used to be that aide's TA at OSU. She got an A+ in the class I graded for, and it wasn't because her politics are cool. She was a bad-ass writer. Anyway, yay for her and yay for Miller and fuck this bill.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:08 pm 
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More on David Horowitz and his attack on college professors:

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Hannity & Colmes, Horowitz ignored facts undermining GOP student's claim that professor failed him for "pro-American" paper

Foothill College student Ahmad al-Qloushi -- who claims that he received a failing grade on a term paper about the U.S. Constitution because it was "pro-American" and whose allegations have been publicized by right-wing pundit David Horowitz -- appeared as a guest on the February 17 edition of FOX News' Hannity & Colmes. But no one on the show mentioned that al-Qloushi's professor disputes his version of events, that al-Qloushi's claims were originally publicized by the Foothill College Republicans (of which al-Qloushi is president), or that al-Qloushi has been touted by Horowitz to promote Horowitz's right-wing university campus initiatives.

"The Foothill College Republicans blasted faxes to reporters this month complaining that a professor had forced a student to see the college therapist merely because the student wrote a pro-American essay," the San Jose Mercury News reported on December 26, 2004. On January 6, Horowitz's right-wing website FrontPageMag.com posted an article by al-Qloushi about the incident. The Washington Times ran an January 16 article titled "California professor flunks Kuwaiti's pro-U.S. essay," in which it relayed al-Qloushi's claims and noted only that "Mr. Woolcock did not respond to telephone and e-mail inquiries." On February 1, al-Qloushi appeared on a segment of ABC's World News Tonight about "conservatives who claim they are victims of a double standard on college campuses," where his assertion that "I was attacked and intimidated because I love America" went unchallenged.

On the February 17 edition of Hannity & Colmes, al-Qloushi reiterated his story, claiming that his professor, Joseph Woolcock, "threatened [him] into seeking regular psychological treatment ... by threatening [his] visa status." But in a statement responding to al-Qloushi, Woolcock provided his version of events, which was ignored on Hannity & Colmes. According to Woolcock, he never "threatened" al-Qloushi's visa status or "threatened" him "into seeking regular psychological treatment," as al-Qloushi claimed. Woolcock also noted that al-Qloushi had "failed to write the mid-term assignment" and had turned down offers of assistance before turning in his final term paper:

When I read the paper, it became clear to me that it did not respond to the question. In late November, after grading all final papers, I asked Mr. al-Qloushi to come and discuss with me the grade. ... [H]e expressed in great detail, concerns and feelings of high anxiety he was having about certain developments which had occurred over ten years ago in his country. Some aspects of his concerns were similar to certain concerns expressed in his paper.

Based on the nature of the concerns and the feelings of high anxiety which he expressed, I encouraged him to visit one of the college counselors. I neither forced nor ordered Mr. al-Qloushi to see a counselor; I have no authority to do so. My suggestion to him was a recommendation he freely chose to accept and which he acknowledged in an e-mail message to me on December 1, 2004.


Foothill College counselors are competent and highly respected professionals capable of providing professional services to students, and faculty members are always encouraged by the college administration to make such referrals to college counselors as the need may arise.

In my conversation with Mr. al-Qloushi, I did not make any reference, explicitly or implicity [sic], to the Dean of International Students or to any other Dean. In my conversation with Mr. al-Qloushi, I did not make any reference, explicit or implicit, to Mr. al-Qloushi's status as an international student. At the time of our conversation, Mr. al-Qloushi was still enrolled in my class, but after he met with the counselor, he never returned to the class.

I deny unequivocally all the allegations Mr. al-Qloushi has attributed to me regarding my suggestion to him that it might be helpful for him to discuss his long-standing concerns with a college counselor, as I have described here. All the other allegations made are false and have no basis whatsoever in fact.


Al-Qloushi's essay, which is posted on Horowitz's Students for Academic Freedom website, has been described by conservative blogger and political science professor James Joyner as "an incredibly poorly written, error-ridden, pabulum-filled [sic], essay that essentially ignores the question put forth by the instructor." Another conservative blogger, political science professor Steven Taylor, concluded: "I can see how this essay resulted in a failing grade."

As Media Matters for America has noted, Horowitz is president and co-founder of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture (CSPC) and the editor-in-chief of FrontPageMag.com, which serves as the CSPC's online journal. The center's agenda includes right-wing campus organizing and opposing affirmative action programs. At the end of al-Qloushi's FrontPageMag.com article and in a February 1 interview with the website, al-Qloushi expressed his support for Horowitz's "Student Bill of Rights," a campus initiative seeking to prevent professors from "forc[ing] their opinions about philosophy, politics and other contestable issues on students in the classroom."

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Professors should keep political views out of classes, activist says
Similar legislation pending in 12 states
Wednesday, March 09, 2005
Kathy Lynn Gray
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Professors who bring their agendas into the classroom are committing consumer fraud, conservative activist David Horowitz said yesterday in Columbus as he stumped for passage of legislation that he says would give students academic freedom.

Horowitz, who frequently promotes conservative issues nationally, was the star witness as the Senate Education Committee considered Senate Bill 24, the so-called academic billof-rights legislation.

The bill would prohibit instructors at public or private universities from persistently discussing controversial issues in class or from using their classes to push political, ideological, religious or antireligious views. It also would ban discrimination against students based on their beliefs.

During the committee meeting, Sen. Teresa Fedor, a Toledo Democrat, attacked Horowitz’s motives, implying that he’s campaigning for the bill as a way of ingratiating himself with students and promoting the Republican Party.

Later, Sen. Larry A. Mumper, a Marion Republican who is sponsoring the bill, said Fedor’s questions "work to our advantage" because they show "she was not able to attack the bill on its merits."

Horowitz said Fedor’s questions — about his income and who funds his organizations — were out of line.

During his testimony, Horowitz said Senate Bill 24 "is only reminding professors, administrators and legislators of their responsibilities to students." He said professors who inject their political beliefs into lectures are denying students the right to the education they’re paying for.

"Professors are supposed to teach students how to think, not what to think," Horowitz said. "If you’re a math professor, we don’t want you lecturing on the Iraq war."

He said he learned yesterday of a University of Cincinnati professor who had made derogatory statements about President Bush in a philosophy class this school year. " ‘Vote the (expletive) Republican out of office,’ " Horowitz quoted the professor as saying.

Gregory Vehr, UC vice president for government relations, was at the hearing. He said afterward that Horowitz’s statement was news to UC officials and that they were contacting the accused professor.

Horowitz, 66, said he was a Marxist in college, but his professors did not belittle his beliefs.

Today, however, some faculty members can be "pretty vindictive" if students have political beliefs different from theirs, he said.

Horowitz’s Students for Academic Freedom Center, based in Los Angeles, hopes to pass bills similar to Senate Bill 24 in all 50 states.

Legislation has been introduced in 12 states.

When the Colorado’s legislature considered the measure last year, the state’s four largest universities decided to adopt the rules on their own. The legislation then was dropped.

Horowitz said he thinks teachers in kindergarten through high school also try to foist their political views on students. That’s the next place he plans to push for legislation.

Organizations opposing Mumper’s bill include the American Civil Liberties Union and groups that represent professors.

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Horowitz, 66, said he was a Marxist in college...


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What happened?


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Nice red shorts! wrote:
Spliney wrote:
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Horowitz, 66, said he was a Marxist in college...


What happened?


Actually nothing happened. He's being completely consistent.

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