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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:00 pm 
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Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Had WMD or Major Program, Supported al Qaeda

College Park, MD: Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program. Kerry supporters hold opposite beliefs on all these points. Similarly, 75% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda, and 63% believe that clear evidence of this support has been found. Sixty percent of Bush supporters assume that this is also the conclusion of most experts, and 55% assume, incorrectly, that this was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission. Here again, large majorities of Kerry supporters have exactly opposite perceptions.
These are some of the findings of a new study of the differing perceptions of Bush and Kerry supporters, conducted by the Program on International Policy Attitudes and Knowledge Networks, based on polls conducted in September and October.
Steven Kull, director of PIPA, comments, “One of the reasons that Bush supporters have these beliefs is that they perceive the Bush administration confirming them. Interestingly, this is one point on which Bush and Kerry supporters agree.” Eighty-two percent of Bush supporters perceive the Bush administration as saying that Iraq had WMD (63%) or that Iraq had a major WMD program (19%).
Likewise, 75% say that the Bush administration is saying Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda. Equally large majorities of Kerry supporters hear the Bush administration expressing these views—73% say the Bush administration is saying Iraq had WMD (11% a major program) and 74% that Iraq was substantially supporting al Qaeda.
Steven Kull adds, “Another reason that Bush supporters may hold to these beliefs is that they have not accepted the idea that it does not matter whether Iraq had WMD or supported al Qaeda. Here too they
are in agreement with Kerry supporters.” Asked whether the US should have gone to war with Iraq if US intelligence had concluded that Iraq was not making WMD or providing support to al Qaeda, 58% of
Bush supporters said the US should not have, and 61% assume that in this case the President would not have. Kull continues, “To support the president and to accept that he took the US to war based on
mistaken assumptions likely creates substantial cognitive dissonance, and leads Bush supporters to suppress awareness of unsettling information about prewar Iraq.”
This tendency of Bush supporters to ignore dissonant information extends to other realms as well. Despite an abundance of evidence—including polls conducted by Gallup International in 38 countries, and more recently by a consortium of leading newspapers in 10 major countries--only 31% of Bush
supporters recognize that the majority of people in the world oppose the US having gone to war with Iraq. Forty-two percent assume that views are evenly divided, and 26% assume that the majority approves. Among Kerry supporters, 74% assume that the majority of the world is opposed.
Similarly, 57% of Bush supporters assume that the majority of people in the world would favor Bush’s reelection; 33% assumed that views are evenly divided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred. A recent poll by GlobeScan and PIPA of 35 of the major countries around the world found that in 30, a majority or plurality favored Kerry, while in just 3 Bush was favored. On average, Kerry was preferred more than two to one.
Bush supporters also have numerous misperceptions about Bush’s international policy positions.
Majorities incorrectly assume that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues—the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%)—and for addressing the problem of global warming: 51% incorrectly assume he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty. After he denounced the International Criminal Court in the debates, the perception that he favored it dropped from 66%, but still 53% continue to believe that he favors it. An overwhelming 74% incorrectly assumes that he favors including labor and environmental standards in trade agreements. In all these cases, majorities of Bush supporters favor the positions they impute to Bush. Kerry supporters are much more accurate in their perceptions of his positions on these issues.
“The roots of the Bush supporters’ resistance to information,” according to Steven Kull, “very likely lie in the traumatic experience of 9/11 and equally in the near pitch-perfect leadership that President Bush
showed in its immediate wake. This appears to have created a powerful bond between Bush and his supporters--and an idealized image of the President that makes it difficult for his supporters to imagine that he could have made incorrect judgments before the war, that world public opinion could be critical of his policies or that the President could hold foreign policy positions that are at odds with his supporters.”
The polls were conducted October 12-18 and September 3-7 and 8-12 with samples of 968, 798 and 959 respondents, respectively. Margins of error were 3.2 to 4% in the first and third surveys and 3.5% on
September 3-7. The poll was fielded by Knowledge Networks using its nationwide panel, which is randomly selected from the entire adult population and subsequently provided internet access. For more
information about this methodology, go to http://www.knowledgenetworks.com/ganp.
A full report and the questionnaire can be found at http://www.pipa.org. Funding for this research was
provided by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:21 pm 
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they also believe in the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny and Santa...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:15 pm 
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MRB wrote:
they also believe in the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny and Santa...


C'mon, do you have a VALID arguement that there are no WMD? Then state it.

One could ask every one of those believers if the believe in the indentities you stated, and you would be pretty much exposed for not knowing what you are talking about.

You make those who share your opinion look bad. Those who can argue that point without be condescending. NOT the way to enlighten those people.

Try again. I will start ya out:

"How can you believe there STILL are WMD??? It is NOT possible because ____________________________________________________________"

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Denver wrote:
C'mon, do you have a VALID arguement that there are no WMD? Then state it.

One could ask every one of those believers if the believe in the indentities you stated, and you would be pretty much exposed for not knowing what you are talking about.

You make those who share your opinion look bad. Those who can argue that point without be condescending. NOT the way to enlighten those people.

Try again. I will start ya out:

"How can you believe there STILL are WMD??? It is NOT possible because ____________________________________________________________"


Ladies and gentlemen, may I present Exhibit A?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:24 pm 
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Denver, did you even read the article that I posted. It states that even after the Charles Duelfer report came out, which concludes that there were no WMD nor WMD programs, Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had them.
The Duelfer report is important. This report relays the findings of the Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence on Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Also, the military never found any WMD.
It is possibe that you don't want to believe the Duelfer report and the military. That is your choice, but will you at least believe the Bush administration? They acknowledge the Duelfer report, and they've admitted that there appears to be no WMD. They still believe they were right in going to war with Iraq, but they have stated that there were no WMD. So you tell me why Bush supporters still believe that there were WMD in Iraq.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:49 pm 
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BryanMODE wrote:
Denver, did you even read the article that I posted. It states that even after the Charles Duelfer report came out, which concludes that there were no WMD nor WMD programs, Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had them.
The Duelfer report is important. This report relays the findings of the Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence on Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Also, the military never found any WMD.
It is possibe that you don't want to believe the Duelfer report and the military. That is your choice, but will you at least believe the Bush administration? They acknowledge the Duelfer report, and they've admitted that there appears to be no WMD. They still believe they were right in going to war with Iraq, but they have stated that there were no WMD. So you tell me why Bush supporters still believe that there were WMD in Iraq.


Thank you...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:28 pm 
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My apologies. I am guilty of the knee jerk reactions I was trying to point out.

After reading the headline, I ASSumed it was about people believing there still may be WMD.

Sorry MRB.

FYI: I am NOT a Bush supporter, but I don't believe Kerry has anything better to offer. This is the first election I HATE to have to chose.

I don't believe there are WMD. Now, whether it was bad intellegence at the beginning, or it was an excuse, I am holding out.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:34 pm 
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No worries...

It's always the lesser of two evils... .sometimes worse then others... like this time.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:48 am 
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MRB wrote:
No worries...

It's always the lesser of two evils... .sometimes worse then others... like this time.


Werd.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:11 am 
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Denver wrote:
FYI: I am NOT a Bush supporter, but I don't believe Kerry has anything better to offer. This is the first election I HATE to have to chose.


By the way, did anyone see this week's episode of South Park. They did this analogy of the presidential election by having the South Park elementary school have an election for a new school mascot. They had to vote for either a "Big Douche" or a "Turd Sandwich."

Stan didn't want to vote (because he didn't like either mascot) until it was explained to him that all elections were between a big douche and a turd sandwich.

I wasn't sure whether Kerry was supposed to be the Big Douche and Bush was supposed to be the Turd Sandwich or if it was the other way around. It was probably meant to be ambiguous. In either case, it was brilliantly funny.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:21 am 
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yeah, I saw it and I love it.... I haven't laughed so hard since the Mormon episode.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:28 am 
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BryanMODE wrote:
Denver wrote:
FYI: I am NOT a Bush supporter, but I don't believe Kerry has anything better to offer. This is the first election I HATE to have to chose.


By the way, did anyone see this week's episode of South Park. They did this analogy of the presidential election by having the South Park elementary school have an election for a new school mascot. They had to vote for either a "Big Douche" or a "Turd Sandwich."

Stan didn't want to vote (because he didn't like either mascot) until it was explained to him that all elections were between a big douche and a turd sandwich.

I wasn't sure whether Kerry was supposed to be the Big Douche and Bush was supposed to be the Turd Sandwich or if it was the other way around. It was probably meant to be ambiguous. In either case, it was brilliantly funny.


I figured Kerry was the Giant Douche since he was positioned left in the debate and the fact that Kerry is taller than Bush, plus the Turd Sandwich interrupted halfway through the first question, sort of like W's weird outburst during the 2nd debate at Charlie Gibson, and had a sort of hick accent.

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