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 Post subject: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:59 am 
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I've got a three-part question for the law-knowing Donewaiters and the mindful Ravarians:
  1. Other than the hand-written sign inside the Ravari/Hounddog's entrance, where is the notice that warns against parking in the abandoned Sunoco lot (if there is any)?
  2. How clear must a warning be to allow a private company to tow a car?
  3. Are there circumstances under which said company could be penalized?

Bonus: How do they determine the "fine," and who gets the money?

I've already got my car back. Nothing's at stake but my curiosity. Unrelated complaints about Shamrock are welcomed and encouraged.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:39 pm 
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there does have to be signage.

clarity i'm sure is open to interpretation

doubt they could be punished.

fees/fines/rates etc are determined by city and state laws. the interplay between state and local laws is a subject of debate. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/lo ... ml?sid=101

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:46 pm 
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That is so lame. You could park there when it was open. Why isn't someone slapping fines on the property owner for the condition of that hazard and eyesore?

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:08 pm 
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groundrules wrote:
there does have to be signage.

clarity i'm sure is open to interpretation

doubt they could be punished.

fees/fines/rates etc are determined by city and state laws. the interplay between state and local laws is a subject of debate. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/lo ... ml?sid=101

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The state law allows towing companies to charge as much as $90 for towing cars from private lots and a $12-a-day storage fee. However, some companies have continued to point to the city code section that sets rates at $125 for towing and $18 for storage.

That explains the cost. The really shitty thing about it is the inconvenience. I had to find a way there on a cold night after 1 a.m. They ask for cash (and are nice enough to have an ATM in the "lobby" with a $5 fee) and buzz you through a door. Walking around the corner into the lot, I felt like any second someone was about to show up with a chainsaw or Porky was about to drop me through a trap door.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:12 pm 
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That is so lame. You could park there when it was open. Why isn't someone slapping fines on the property owner for the condition of that hazard and eyesore?

I just learned of a rumor, from other sources, that Shamrock owns the lot, and is probably using it as an intentional parking trap. They cleaned UP on Friday night.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:27 pm 
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abstraction wrote:
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That is so lame. You could park there when it was open. Why isn't someone slapping fines on the property owner for the condition of that hazard and eyesore?

I just learned of a rumor, from other sources, that Shamrock owns the lot, and is probably using it as an intentional parking trap. They cleaned UP on Friday night.


Completely Maddening.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
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redrabbit wrote:
That is so lame. You could park there when it was open. Why isn't someone slapping fines on the property owner for the condition of that hazard and eyesore?

I just learned of a rumor, from other sources, that Shamrock owns the lot, and is probably using it as an intentional parking trap. They cleaned UP on Friday night.


It seems more likely that a different owner of the lot hired Shamrock to keep people from parking there for liability issues and Shamrock simply realized what a profitable site it was to send truck to regularly.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:54 pm 
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It seems more likely that a different owner of the lot hired Shamrock to keep people from parking there for liability issues and Shamrock simply realized what a profitable site it was to send truck to regularly.


really? I doubt that shamrock gets paid to patrol then also collects revenue from towing. I'm betting shamrock says 'hey, let us tow from your lot and you get 20%'.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:57 pm 
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It seems more likely that a different owner of the lot hired Shamrock to keep people from parking there for liability issues and Shamrock simply realized what a profitable site it was to send truck to regularly.


really? I doubt that shamrock gets paid to patrol then also collects revenue from towing. I'm betting shamrock says 'hey, let us tow from your lot and you get 20%'.


I didn't mean to suggest that they got paid to patrol, simply that they're the towing company contracted to tow from there. It's just worth their while keep sending trucks there on weekends after 10:00pm.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:03 pm 
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I didn't mean to suggest that they got paid to patrol, simply that they're the towing company contracted to tow from there. It's just worth their while keep sending trucks there on weekends after 10:00pm.


oh absolutely. and i'm sure that the contract granted to shamrock has a little something in it for the landowner.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:02 pm 
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they should hire one of the Hobo-Valets from the short north to point to open spaces and take like $5 from people. much more friendly solution, though less profitable, i know.

any liability issues will be addressed by Hobo-Valet (delivered in his best Sylvester Stallone a la Rocky 5), "sue me for what?"

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:36 pm 
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Cookie wrote:
abstraction wrote:
redrabbit wrote:
That is so lame. You could park there when it was open. Why isn't someone slapping fines on the property owner for the condition of that hazard and eyesore?

I just learned of a rumor, from other sources, that Shamrock owns the lot, and is probably using it as an intentional parking trap. They cleaned UP on Friday night.


It seems more likely that a different owner of the lot hired Shamrock to keep people from parking there for liability issues and Shamrock simply realized what a profitable site it was to send truck to regularly.

Probably. Still can't say I'm a fan. The way it all went down felt like a little above and beyond a client's wishes.
Jack Sunoco wrote:
Say, I've got this lot, and I don't want people to park there. I thought about posting a few large signs for efficiency, or maybe I could put up a chain, but I think I'd rather be extra shady about it and let the maximum number of people onto the lot, just so they can find out the hard way. I mean, what better way to protect my property than pissing off a carload of drinkers? Can you handle that, Mr. Rock?

Billy Rock wrote:
Gee, I dunno how comfortable I feel with that. Grandpa Sham always said tow trucks were for helpin' people.

Jack Sunoco wrote:
Look, kid. Either you do this for me or I find someone who will. Someone who wants business from my other gas stations, too.

Billy Rock wrote:
Gosh. My ma's been real sick. ...I mean, I guess we could do it that way. At least, I could make sure that the cars stay safe.

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Sure, kid. Whatever. Let's ruin some lives.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:30 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:46 pm 
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Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:04 pm 
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I walk by this place on my way home, so I looked, and there are signs on the south and north walls of the Sunoco building. I'm not saying that they are easy to see, especially after dark, but they are there, which was your original question.

As to how clear the warning has to be, the city code says "An owner of private property may create a 'PRIVATE TOW-AWAY ZONE' by posting thereon a sign, no smaller than 18” × 24” and visible from all entrances to the private property." You can probably make a pretty good argument that these signs aren't visible at night if you really want to fight it.

The answer to your third question is whatever this says:
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2151.105 Unauthorized towing.

(a) Except as provided in Sections 2151.22 and 2151.23, no person shall remove or cause to be removed any vehicle from private property unless in conformance with Section 2151.10 with respect to removing, or causing to be removed, motor vehicles from private property.
(b) Except as otherwise provided in this division, whoever violates this section is guilty of a minor misdemeanor. If, within one (1) year of the offense, the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to one (1) or more prior violations of this section or a substantially equivalent municipal ordinance, whoever violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree. (Ord. 1579-72: Ord. 2120-03 § 1 (part).)

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:35 pm 
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*sigh* I guess I'll have to resort to rhetoric. Such a shame, such a shame.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:16 pm 
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that gas station was pretty sweet until the city ran them outta business
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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:49 pm 
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Call the Attorney and I am sure someone in his office could tell you what policies tow trucks have to follow and how to file a complaint with the City.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:16 am 
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Passing it on my way to work this morning, I noticed signs posted at the north and east entrances to the lot. I didn't notice if there was one at the south entrance.

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:21 pm 
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Yea dude thats a bummer. But my big question is why dont they turn that field behind hound/ravioli room into a sweet huge parking lot and then like charge a buck or somethin. It seems like a big waste of space that someone could be totally banking on. I dont want to hear the green side, because there is a huge amount of city green all along both sides of the olentangy, and down by the ca area. We could turn that mudpit into a parking lot pleeese. I guess I live close enough to walk anyway, but whatevs.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:02 pm 
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too bad you missed my post a couple months back about the towing..

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 Post subject: Re: Sham, WOW: The Sunoco Shamrock Shakedown
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:36 pm 
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One of my better George Jones stories of the bender of 2008 was having two cars towed from a bar at 8pm, going to Shamrock and paying for both of them around 10pm or 1030pm after some debate and returning with both of the cars to the bar and drinking til 3am. Once you've spent that much at Shamrock you might as well run up the tab. It doesn't look like much by contrast.

Then, there's the tow truck driver who held me at gunpoint in 2007. Scum bags of the Universe.

I had a crazy-ass neighbor who, legend has it, jumped the barbwired fence, outran the dogs and firebombed one of their trucks years ago right on their lot. That doesn't sound possible. He was out of town for 2 weeks and said his crappy car was in a legal spot. When he came back it cost him more to get the car out than the car was worth.

With Ravari, the crappy thing is that many people used to be able to park at that spot all of the time. So, unless there is a huge new sign- who's going to notice it? You're not going to look for it.

When my car(s) was towed from a bar it was in a spot that was always legal for patrons (they still park there nightly), but, I guess the guy who owned the spot decided to change the terms for the evening. Nice!!!!!!!!!!

So, I got bad towing karma out of the way in one year. I was on the fast-track in 2007-08 of paying it all up front for the rest of my life.

Go get some. Get it out of the way, now. There's too much other stuff to get done.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:48 pm 
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That is the under-statement of the decade.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:54 pm 
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That is the under-statement of the decade.


I guess subtlety's not my forte. It's been regularly noted in my development plan for years.

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