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mr. lady · **Posted:** Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:23 pm

still a cop out

eqj · **Joined:** Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:17 pm **Posts:** 3857

eqj wrote:

vandal

vandal

vandal

vandal

vandal

vandal

This is fun!

Yeah, y'all totally moved on. Not me. Stuck way back on page 8.

This guy's hot shit.
http://www.joseparla.com/home.html

eqj · **Joined:** Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:17 pm **Posts:** 3857

More vandals.

http://www.billboardliberation.com/

Wesley Flexner · **Joined:** Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1502

mr. lady wrote:

still a cop out

a good thing happened in columbus this weekend.
plenty of people were brought together.

the internet is the internet, ya dig?

Jawbreaker · **Joined:** Fri Jun 06, 2003 1:10 pm **Posts:** 6351

eqj wrote:

vandal

vandal

vandal

vandal

vandal

vandal

This is fun!

Yeah, y'all totally moved on. Not me. Stuck way back on page 8.

This guy's hot shit.
http://www.joseparla.com/home.html

JSG Boggs is a freakin genius.

Snarky · **Posted:** Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:17 pm

Wow. That was thirteen pages of interesting. I'm not kidding, I really did enjoy it.

Mikepoint3 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:28 pm

Wesley Flexner wrote:

Mikepoint3 wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

eboe wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

SO WHO ON HER EVER SKATED A CURB?

DID A HANDRAIL?

i thnk that a more apt comparison would be who here ever took a jackhammer and broke off a piece of curb, cause skating doesn't equate to actually vandalizing something in a destructive manner, at least not as long as you are careful.

and no, i don't skate.

obviously.

skating cause lots of unsightly damage to property..

when i did grinds on marble ledges, i never wondered who owned it...
doubt most skaters do?

are you guys against street skateboarding as well?

I think with a comparison to skating damage, it comes down to how obvious the damage is.

In my opinion a cracked curb or a scufted rail is less obvious than a big pink and purple name.

Skateboarding does subtractive damage. Clipping away little by little over time, so it's less noticeable day to day.

But when a tag goes up that is in complete contrast to it's surroundings, people take notice instantly and start to bitch.

both do damage, but one is just way more overt about it.

Fuck, I've skated for years... I've put up band stickers. But I've always tried to be tastedful in where I did it.

And there is no accounting for taste and people will always bitch.

so you have never been kicked out of skate spot for skating related damage to a spot.........

this intent shit is killing me.

yes graffiti writers intend on ridding the world of small businesses.

they get 25 cents off at starbucks..

hey at least starbucks gives their employess health insurance.

Truthfully, I'm not sure if I was kicked out of a skate spot for doing damage or for just being a skater. I have been kicked out of places, but I never really stopped to asked why. I knew, I was a skater.

I'm not really against graffiti. I feel conflicted about the whole subject. I know a lot of dudes who used put up pieces all around town and I can't say they were bad guys. I can say they were artists.

People ultimately change their environment for better or worse, mostly, as history has shown, for worse.

It sucks that graffiti can cause damage to personal property and it's rude to and costly to do so.

I wish graffiti artist would target government buildings only. I say fuck it. Their already taking 30-40% of my money -- I'd rahter have that money be used to clean up some art that will be put up again than for some fucking war.

I am pro OBEY GIANT - (shepard fairey). I've hung with that dude and he has a definate message and political slant. I watched him post the 8 foot by 8 foot GIANT posters on each side of the Newport during a motorhead show and had no problems with that. In fact, I loved that. That weekend, Shepard went all around town bombing his new Giant / Misfist hybrid logo. It was fucking sweet.

He did it with paper and wheat paste.

He knew what he was saying.

We drank wine.

Cool dude.

http://www.obeygiant.com/

1910 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:33 pm

aGushkinStereoChemist wrote:

Wow. That was thirteen pages of interesting. I'm not kidding, I really did enjoy it.

Agreed.

I laughed. I cried. It was better than Cats.

Snarky · **Posted:** Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:52 pm

Yup. Thirty's the new Fifty.

Independent Playground · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:34 am

I'm staying out of the argument here, but whoever brought Daymon into this is an asshole.

Show some respect for the dead.

BastardSuperstar · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:39 am

Wesley Flexner wrote:

also as I said.
TJ has the right to punch anyone in the face who writes on his door.
but a tagged on door can still open..

whereas a ragged on tribute mural won't function as that anymore..

but TJ still has the right to punch someone in the face.

understand this: i am not a violent person (per se) and i want to punch no-one in the face. i just want my hundreds of dollars back, and to be sure that i'll never have to pay that kind of money for that kind of shit again . . .

you can "perceive" doors to be yours all you want. it doesn't change the fact that it's not, it's mine. i'd love to perceive your CD collection as mine, but that ain't gonna happen either . . .

it's MY shit. leave it alone. i don't fuck with your shit and say i'm entitled to because that's how i grew up.

this kind of logic makes me feel like you guys are gonna tell me that i "was asking for it" and that i "had it coming" for the way my door was dressed.

Wesley Flexner · **Joined:** Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1502

i walked by your store tonight.

i didn't notice any graffiti.
prolly cause you paid 220 dollars to clean it up..

(i actually was kinda suprised at the little amount of graffiti in the short north)

there is a broken portion of your window that doesn't seem to be graffiti related...

i did see one graffiti related thing..a vomitrocity cd.
the lead singer is in pbj.
which may make you mad that you have given support to a pbj members music career iono..

i can say that cd is out of print so someone should go buy it.

BastardSuperstar · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:19 am

Wesley Flexner wrote:

i walked by your store tonight.

i didn't notice any graffiti.

you didn't look too hard then. yellow tag to the right of the door.

Wesley Flexner wrote:

prolly cause you paid 220 dollars to clean it up..

yeah, the glass in that door? used to have a really beautiful gold-leaf address on it. then it had beautiful gold-leaf and etching-pen-scar. now it's just glass. i wish i could have afforded to have the gold leaf redone, but why bother when it's not really my door to do with as i see fit. it's pbj's door now. they'll decorate it again soon enough, i'm sure . . . especially after this thread.

Wesley Flexner wrote:

(i actually was kinda suprised at the little amount of graffiti in the short north)

that's because of the "back-to-school" shopping season. business owners and the SNBA have spent mad cash cleaning up the neighborhood yet again, at our own expense. consider it our way of "shaking the etch-a-sketch" for you. i'm sure instead of proud business owners and the fruits of their labors, you actually just see clean canvas . . .

Wesley Flexner wrote:

i did see one graffiti related thing..a vomitrocity cd.
the lead singer is in pbj.
which may make you mad that you have given support to a pbj members music career iono..

no, cuz the vomitrocity guys are friends first, and even if friends can't make choices to support me, i will do what i can to support them . . . it's how i make things pop.

jeff · **Joined:** Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:46 pm **Posts:** 237

fd wrote:

TJ's logic in this thread is unimpeachable.

Yeah, pretty much.

Of course he's taking the position that marking up other people's shit is wrong. Being that most people accept that as a given, he hasn't had to create a lot of make-believe context and justification.

annie oakley · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:39 am

Wesley Flexner wrote:

i started writing graffiti in 94

.

Hence tagging is so 94.

Quote:

you guys arguement that people don't want their property written on makes sense.

i get it.
i would never tell someone they should like for someone to vandalize their shit.

but...

fact is...that place already had that tag on it..

and a landlord still found someone to rent it..

and a business still opened

I think there is a point in there, but I am not sure.

annie oakley · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:43 am

stooge wrote:

No, you're a vandal.

Here's a quick primer differnentiating vandalism from art.

If you utilize a medium that you purchased, it is art.
If you utilize a medium that someone else owns and you don't have permission to use, it is vandalism.

If you invite the press and public to view your masterpiece, it is art.
If you sneak around at night because you'll get busted by the cops if you get caught, it is vandalism.

If your works are sold or displayed in galleries, it is art.
If your works are taken down by the rightful owners of the property, it is vandalism.

If the location where your work is makes money from your work, it is art.
If the location where your work is has to pay money out of their own pocket to repair the damage you caused, it is vandalism.

If you are overjoyed to see your picture in the paper following a showing, it is art.
If you wear a bandanna to hide your face if anyone is taking a picture, it is vandalism.

If this pocket guide is not helpful enough, here's a suggestion: The next time you decide you want to bomb some private property, call the owner, the press, and (most important) the police. Tell them the exact date, time, and location that you are going to produce your "art." Although wine and crackers will probably not be on the menu for your "gallery opening," I remain confident that you will attract a large crowd of well dressed individuals who will have all kinds of interesting comments on your artistic bent.

Best of luck.

Stooge, you are the snappiest of the snappers!

annie oakley · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:47 am

Wesley Flexner wrote:

abstraction wrote:

Wesley Flexner wrote:

see the thing is..
mike carney doesn't write graffiti.

i helped pioneered columbus graffiti scene.
i haven't done illegal graffiti in years..

i just know that the old generation does't understand the new generation so they say stupid shit cause they are too crotchy and arrogant to learn about the current cultures in their city.

I'm curious. Since age is so crucial to understanding the current culture, how old are you? What is the official cut-off age when people cease to be able to understand how great kids are and resort to saying "stupid shit?"

I congratulate you on successfully "proving" that the restaurant was tagged between owners. Now, how would you justify the other acts being mentioned? Are you going to encourage the "protection racket" scheme that mikecarney was describing?

i think like it or not there is a generation of kids that grew up on hip hop,skateboarding and graffiti.

I would be one of them. I have never thought it was okay to tag. Especially when I had a party and some of my "friends" tagged the walls in my house and outside of my house. Guess who had to pay for it? Me.

Guess what is hard to come up with for when you go over your security deposit and you are a 19 year old student and your parents think your "friends" are a bunch of fucksticks? CASH.

annie oakley · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:50 am

mikecarney wrote:

don't you wish could gentrify the people who live on campus and replace the evil hoodlums with white middle class indie rockers.

*giggle*

Aren't you a white guy?

WHITE BOY! YOU HAVE SO MUCH SOUL! IT'S COMIN' OUT YO' ASSHOLE!

annie oakley · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:55 am

tiger yang wrote:

After 9+ pages of hem-hawing, I still can't for the life of me find a single attempt to explain why it is ever okay to damage someone's property, or why local business owners should somehow suck it up to accomodate vandalism simply because your synthetic, suburban-appropriated attempts at "culture" are somehow more important than another's property rights or their rights to make a living. Please indulge me.

You people need to get off your soapboxes and realize that there is absolutely nothing special, interesting, or 'edgy' about your cheesy half-witted attempts at midwest wigger dumbassery and the splay toothed, half-literate hoodlum arguments you rode in. We're waiting for you to catch up.

Thanks for the new sig!

mr. lady · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:57 am

i just hope that tj is getting some sleep. it looks like he pulled an all nighter.

annie oakley · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:02 am

mikecarney wrote:

did you like being racist when before i was born?

Is there some kind of theory out there stating when someone has lost a debate, that they play the racist card?

Wigger= Poseur. Nothing racist, just calling out some people for glamorizing a life they will never legitimately lead, and if they found themselves in that life, would not have half the balls to even survive.

If you want to know what I mean, come on down to Cincy, and I can drop you off @ Elm and Findlay. Then we all can take bets on how long you would last. I bet, 3 minutes.

mikecarney · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:08 pm **Posts:** 687

wigger = white n*****... = racist.

eboe · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:29 am

Wesley Flexner wrote:

they get 25 cents off at starbucks..

hey at least starbucks gives their employess health insurance.

because the antichrist that is starbucks can afford it. most small business owners are priced right out of it.

mr. lady · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:43 am

mikecarney wrote:

wigger = white n*****... = racist.

well look who just rolled out of the bunk bed. and w/ a gramatical insight to boot :wink:

. so what did mom make for breakfast?

p.s.what's w/ the "..." it's part equation, part syntax deconstruction

Cookie · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:55 am

So, is now a good time to start passing the hat to clean up the inevitable PBJ tagfest all over TJ's shop this weekend?

PBJ

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