Gee, did I piss you off??? Good. Now imagine how TJ felt. Seems like extreme is the only thing that gets through to you.

And by the way, what exactly did the $$money$$ raised Saturday night go to?? Just curious??


Oh and Flexner... only when there is a mouthful, so I guess that leaves you out??

To you it means more than a mural and to TJ it is a lot more than a door.

I would never want anything to happen to your mural or TJ's door. Who the fuck are you to say what has meaning to anyone?? It is called respect; you want it, try showing it.

TJ's logic in this thread is unimpeachable.

And we are still waiting.

this one clearly said "pbj" . . . any ideas who might've come in from out of town and left me one of those?



and that's where your points go straight to hell. because they ARE hurting and slowly killing my business, at a time when EVERY dollar counts to a small store like mine. as i said, the "cool punk rock kids" aren't the ones who spend hundreds at a pop. their folks do. and their folks would MUCH rather take them to the mall to buy their "cool punk rock" stuff, where they aren't confronted with, what to their eyes, are gang tags

i've worked high street "cool store" retail for almost 20 years now, and there has NEVER been a time with less suburban dollar coming to as right now. less money on cd's spent at your store, because you can get punk/indie/hiphop at virginmega, and less money spent at mine because you can buy lip service at hottopic. and the "visible urban blight" is a BIG contributor to parents not wanting to bring their kids down here to spend REAL money. real money ISN'T a "cool" kid buying a ramones t-shirt. real money IS his parents buying him 400 bucks worth of back-to-school shit. and that's the money your crew is taking from me. yaknow, in addition to me having to pay to fix their vandalism.



yeah, MY fucking door. that soon became an unwelcoming door due to vandals.



yeah, that of a "bad neighborhood" . . . one that's not a viable place to spend your money . . .




wes, honestly, DON'T YOU DARE SAY THAT SHIT TO ME! i moved into the neighborhood to help improve it, i've slaved away to make a very run-down part of high street become a little bit better, and have been told by other business owners that us moving in where we did made the option of being in this neighborhood much more appealing for their gallery/shoppe/bar what have you. and for you to compare that kind of effort to someone scribbling initials all over everything (with no regard for the folks who DO IN FACT get financially hurt by it, no matter how much you wanna pretend it doesn't happen) is fucking appalling. as disgusting to me as red's comments were to you.


i'm trying to "make shit pop" by making my community a more profitable one and a better one to live/work in. you're trying to "make shit pop" by hurting those who are trying to better it. you feel like knee-capping some runners in the special olympics, too?

seriously, i'll debate this all week, as i said, i respect real work, murals on underpasses and other, more "art" forms of it . . . but that "graf taggers are trying to better my shop's neighborhood" shit? you can shove that shit right up your fucking sharpie-hole.

WTF is wrong with you?

What is wrong with me is that you and your buddy are assholes??

So where did the money go?

How's your porfolio?

sorry to break this to you but we are human and we die. your friend's death was tragic, and your tribute moves me. however, it's not just about a door. a small business that even manages to exist is a tribute to the pain and sacrifice of the business owner.

do you know what it's like to leave children to go to work. b/c believe me when i tell you that people that are unable to spend time enjoying their children grow is also a tragedy. and then to have some fucktard sneak around and tag it is like pissing on all of their sacrifices.

for all of your gushing on tj, you would think that you could make a connection. it's not about revenge or punching someone in the face.

and seeing differences isn't a problem. the problem is your narrow-minded ass not seeing the similarities.

after re-reading all your posts, i think i've figured out your view of the whole thing:

i'm not entitled to walk up to my store everyday and NOT scream "fuck!" cuz some asshole just ruined my shit, because my doorway really isn't mine, and besides i'm just "acceptable collateral damage" in your war against "those old fogeys"

or maybe it's just [voice=cartman]"you don't know me, i do what i want, i do what i want" [/cartmanvoice]

The money is going to upgrading Daymon's 7 inch to 12 inch, and parade costs..
such as buying fabric for a doll etc.
The 12 inch uograde was suggested by DJ Bombay, Detox,,etc

I had planned on giving the 12 inch away..
But the new plan is to sell them and create to Daymon A. Dodson Foundation for the Arts.

We have discussed with his parents several things.

1)Creating Art Scholarship

2)Turrning the Parade into a yearly Mardi Gras type thing, in which proceeds are given to Katrina survivors

3)His dad mentioned that he was working with youth;s in Chilecothe that need shelter and
career training.

Once we get the the 12 inch done and sold..
We will legally set up the foundation and move from there.

TJ ..I said I could see why you would want to punch them in the face.
I just can also see how someone writes on something without thinking about it.

I haven't done illlegal graffiti in years.

also as I said.
TJ has the right to punch anyone in the face who writes on his door.
but a tagged on door can still open..

whereas a ragged on tribute mural won't function as that anymore..

but TJ still has the right to punch someone in the face.

I'll give Wes credit for sticking here and continuing the dialogue. That other fella doesn't seem to have had the stomach for it.

What I'm not understanding is this...Wes, you've got your feelings about this in that it doesn't really hurt anyone. You also have someone who, clearly, very demonstrably been hurt by tagging, even if you only count the damage to his door. You seem to be unmoved by the fact that someone cost him money by their actions, and still seem to be saying that this is a 'victimless crime' (admittedly not your words).

Does this mean that you don't believe TJ or the Surly Girl folks?

Their statements here aren't anecdotal...they are in fact first-person victims here.

That came out harsher(?) than I meant it...I meant that eperhaps you think they're exaggerating any real damage figures, not that you thought they were lying...sorry.

Reading this thread an idea that was proposed sarcastically is something I think would be very interesting. I think Wes proposed a graffiti park much like a skate park. I don't see why that wouldn't be cool. I think it would be a big draw and a destination.

I don't think I can agrue my point exactly because I respect TJ's feelings.
I haven't written on any of these peoples property.
And to properly argue this I would have to be completely detached from the fact that I understand he works hard and he is a good dood.

As far as the Surly Girl.
I don't want to comment on them either.

But just say Liz Lessner is a truely good person.
She showed a big heart saturday by opening her gallery and allowing all of daymon's friends and family look at his artwork.
Even though she made no money from it.
I think that big heart was noted and respected.

Things involving actual individuals I know,
I would rather them know I have never written on their property
and that I understand why they are mad.

still a cop out

Yeah, y'all totally moved on. Not me. Stuck way back on page 8.

This guy's hot shit.
http://www.joseparla.com/home.html

More vandals.

http://www.billboardliberation.com/

a good thing happened in columbus this weekend.
plenty of people were brought together.

the internet is the internet, ya dig?

JSG Boggs is a freakin genius.

Wow. That was thirteen pages of interesting. I'm not kidding, I really did enjoy it.

Truthfully, I'm not sure if I was kicked out of a skate spot for doing damage or for just being a skater. I have been kicked out of places, but I never really stopped to asked why. I knew, I was a skater.

I'm not really against graffiti. I feel conflicted about the whole subject. I know a lot of dudes who used put up pieces all around town and I can't say they were bad guys. I can say they were artists.

People ultimately change their environment for better or worse, mostly, as history has shown, for worse.

It sucks that graffiti can cause damage to personal property and it's rude to and costly to do so.

I wish graffiti artist would target government buildings only. I say fuck it. Their already taking 30-40% of my money -- I'd rahter have that money be used to clean up some art that will be put up again than for some fucking war.

I am pro OBEY GIANT - (shepard fairey). I've hung with that dude and he has a definate message and political slant. I watched him post the 8 foot by 8 foot GIANT posters on each side of the Newport during a motorhead show and had no problems with that. In fact, I loved that. That weekend, Shepard went all around town bombing his new Giant / Misfist hybrid logo. It was fucking sweet.

He did it with paper and wheat paste.

He knew what he was saying.

We drank wine.

Cool dude.


http://www.obeygiant.com/

Agreed.

I laughed. I cried. It was better than Cats.

Yup. Thirty's the new Fifty.

I'm staying out of the argument here, but whoever brought Daymon into this is an asshole.

Show some respect for the dead.